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Discussion in 'Legal' started by goldie, Jan 7, 2009.

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  1. goldie

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    I have seen alot of stupid & meaningless videos involving guns on youtube,& if they were passed around congress on a laptop,while debating the assault rifle issue, it wouldnt be good.one example is a guy with a robinson armament xcr firing rapid fire at a target as he moves closer,reloading clips & at the end,draws a pistol & fires at the target from a few feet away.to an anti gunner,these images might as well be someone in a mall or office shooting up the place. these videos are stupid & can be very damaging if used to help install legislation.i wish there was a way to remove these videos.these idiots are proving nothing with these videos, & its just the kind of evidence the dems need to screw us once & for all......
     
  2. Mike2

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    Agreed, sad part is these same idiots are typically the ones who commit crimes like you mentioned. Its a shamed that a small number of idiots ruin it for all the law abiding citizens.
     
  3. kingpin008

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    To an anti-gunner, ANY images of gun use (except for LEOs) might as well be someone in a mall or office shooting up the place.

    I've seen the XCR video you're talking about. It's a training demo, and a pretty good one.

    I don't agree with labeling something like that "stupid" or "moronic" because of how one group of people who have already proven themselves unable to handle the concept of safe and responsible firearms ownership percieves it.

    If anything, you should be pointing out THEIR videos are stupid and moronic. They're the ones pushing "common sense" legislation to "end gun violence" that is neither "common sense" nor does anything to "end gun violence".

    Put plainly - place the blame where it belongs, not where you -think- it should based on what certain people might -think- of it.
     
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    I would disagree. I support the 1st Amendment as much as I support the 2nd.

    The vids that I have viewed look like people having some good ole fun with firearms.

    The Fudd factor is high with this thread.
     
  5. Duke of Doubt

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    It's easy to become so used to the RKBA battle that we are sensitized to any video of an idget or criminal that misuses a firearm. While we wish they would go away, there's nothing we should legally do to make them go away. The very video referred to in the OP could be taken from any number of drills on mag change/firearm transition and only looks "bad" to the folks that are concerned about the use the video might be put to (just because the guy looks like he got his training on the internet doesn't mean he's not practicing a practical skill).
     
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    Exactly what about those two videos creates fodder for the anti-gun crowd? In so far as I could tell, it was just your average "guy shooting his gun" video. Perhaps I missed something?
     
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    tau tol o gy

    –noun, plural -gies. 1. needless repetition of an idea, esp. in words other than those of the immediate context, without imparting additional force or clearness, as in “widow woman.”
     
  9. Duke of Doubt

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    Coloradokevin, the kid in those videos violates a number of safe gun handling rules (my favorite is his cycling the loaded Mauser with the butt off his shoulder and the barrel pointed skyward), and more importantly, does so flippantly and in an attempt to impress. He also pulls a few "Hollywood" moves (like hurling the stripper over his shoulder). Watch them again. He's actually pretty funny.
     
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    So next time I don't just drop a stripper clip non chalantly I'm being "hollywood"?

    I don't see how having the muzzle slightly raised to charge the magazine for one second and lowering it back down range as the bolt closes qualifies for cycling the rifle with the barrel pointed skyward. Hand nowhere near the trigger guard.

    That's are extremely benign and normal shooting IMO.

    (But that person behind the camera being entertained and laughing as his friend finishes safely firing off a mag is unnaceptable.) You shold never be entertained by shooting firearms. ;)

    I may just not be watching closely but I honestly don't see how those videos have been picked out by you to show "mental defectives"
     
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    What? How is pointing an empty gun skyward while readying a fresh stripper clip unsafe gun handling? And not only is the gun unloaded, the bolt is back. Not very likely to have an ND that way. And yes, the rifle wasn't socked completely into his shoulder. But it was pointed safely down-range the entire time he was shooting. That seems pretty safe to me.

    And big deal, he tossed the empty stripper clip to the ground. Would you rather he set the rifle down, take a knee, and set it gently on the turf?

    If that's what you're worried about and call "unsafe gun handling", I suggest you get yourself off the internet in a hurry - never know when you might come across a photo of a young lady with her ankle exposed. Now that would be something to get the heart racing!

    In short - nothing in either of those videos was remotely unsafe.
     
  12. goldie

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    in the end its just video evidence that can be used against us.its just too much information that do gooders could use to help re instate the ban & then some....
     
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    Or you could use it to educate those that aren't yet educated. There are many great education tools on YouTube as well. Use the moronic videos to show poor gun handling and what could go wrong and reiterate safety. Use the good training videos to train in proper methods of firearms handling.

    Once again, as we have said many times before about firearms, these videos are tools, they can be used for good OR bad. How they are used is up to you, the user.
     
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    Moron's on youtube?

    There's moron's on youtube???

    All kidding aside, I couldn't agree with you more
     
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    Pointing the firearm into the sky is generally considered a darn safe direction to be pointing it.

    I see nothing wrong with cylcing the action and chambering a round without the butt of the gun on your shoulder.

    Heck, some rifles I have known you put 3 in, push them down and slide the bolt forward just a bit, then put the 4th one in and slide the bolt home to have a 'full load' As it takes 2 hands, no way to shoulder it while doing that.

    The closest thing I see to a safety error (and it is very minor) is in saiga video, it appears his finger is on the trigger before he shoulders the gun,

    and there is absolutely nothing wrong with flinging the stripper clip.
     
  17. Duke of Doubt

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    jbausch357, I'm ... speechless. Almost.

    Now I get the perspective of the others. The kid in the videos I found is merely an amusing episode of "Mr. Bumbles Goes to the Gun Range" (who would not be tolerated around me at my range), but that's NOTHING compared the fatbody bump-firing (MAYBE) his Saiga into the water without even a backstop. Not to mention his other assorted poor gun handling.
     
  18. Duke of Doubt

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    akodo, there's absolutely nothing wrong with lifting your pinky when you drink a beer, either -- but you just DON'T.

    When I load from chargers or strippers, I put them into my pocket, or onto the table.
     
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    these videos are stupid & can be very damaging if used to help install legislation.i wish there was a way to remove these videos.

    I was thinking the same thing, especially when I saw all the ya-hoos bump-firing their semi-autos. Those would make any uninformed viewer think that all semi-autos are "full" auto. And all the real full-autos and suppressors on there, I wonder how many are actually NFA legal and not some garage job. I'm actually suprised we haven't heard of the ATF going after these guys, considering the job that they did on Olofsen. I think the weirdest was the guy shooting a full-auto AK w/ so many rounds that the foregrip caught fire (it's already burning when the video starts, maybe he helped it along with some lighter fluid and a zippo).

    AK on fire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAohtjG14c
     
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    Morons on you-tube?

    to heck with them, what about the morons in WASHINGTON! you know, the ones that are making OUR lives miserable!? somehow, we need to figure out how to get OUR COUNTRY back from all the anti-everythings in washington!
     
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    Foolish Stuff—Not to Be Taken Seriously

    The Second Amendment has for the most part been reduced to merely another form of recreation, entertainment, pastime and amusement.
     
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    Using to OP's first post, sounds like the guy is just training. If you feel that people shouldn't train, or that there shouldn't be semi auto's in public, maybe you need to go back to selling out gunowners.

    I'm with scottgun on this one.
     
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    I'm sorry, but if you think a few Youtube videos are going to matter to the anti's, you've got another thing coming. If you haven't noticed, they're not exactly reality-based when it comes to their arguments, and most people know this very well. Putting forth a few amateur videos of people shooting recreationally and safely isn't going to sound the death knell for the Second Amendment.

    So you're the Shooting Technique Police now? What does it matter how the kid shoots, as long as he does it safely?

    Congratulations.

    What's your point?

    Mr. Bumbles, huh? Point out ONE safety violation. And by "safety violation", I mean an ACTUAL violaton, not just something that offended your sense of technique and decorum.
    First of all, nice insult (fatbody). Real high-road of you. :rolleyes:

    Secondly, he specifically points out that he knows that there are no people within three miles or so of the direction he's shooting in, as well as pointing out the dirt hill on the far side of the pond he shoots into. You can SEE the dirt hill. That's called a backstop.

    And lastly, show us ONE safety violation in the video. He keeps the rifle in a safe direction, finger off the trigger, and magazine out until he's on target and ready to shoot.

    If you're not going to base your posts on reality, I'm going to have to wonder if you're not a shill for the other side.
     
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