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Agreed, sad part is these same idiots are typically the ones who commit crimes like you mentioned. Its a shamed that a small number of idiots ruin it for all the law abiding citizens.

I hear what you are saying. It's always a small group of idiots ruining it for the rest of us.
 
Kingpin, how the heck does he know there's nobody there? Is he shooting inside a mined zone?

The safety violations are too numerous to detail. I can't believe you're actually defending those guys, especially the fatbody. Do you know them or something?
 
That's right, avoid the question.

How does he know nobody's there? Well gee, there is the possibility he owns the land, or knows the area. Ever think of that?

And even if he doesn't, who are -you- to say, when -you- don't know him and have no idea where he is? Or do you know him, and just feel like talking crap on the internet?

Too many safety violations to detail, huh? That's ok - gimme one. Surely that's no big deal if there are so many, right? Choose your favorite, or the one that's so glaringly obvious. Your choice.

And I'm not defending those guys, even the "fatbody" - I'm pointing out the obvious, to the apparently oblivious. You are the one who started this by pointing out how horrendous the behavior is, yet you conveniently manage to dance and dodge whenever someone asks you to back up your arguments. The burden is on -you- to show us what you see that's so offensive.

And what's up with the insults? Kinda childish, don't you think? Oh, and you know who else uses childish insults and misdirection to avoid the fact that they're arguing from a position of ignorance and bias? That's right - anti's. But you wouldn't know anything about that, right?

Ball's in your court.
 
Duke of Doubt, I can't believe you're taking the low-road on this issue.

For all anybody knows, the people in the videos own the property on which they were shooting. Perhaps they are established ranges. In such cases it would be reasonable to believe nobody would be downrange of the firing.

It is ridiculous to assume he is being unsafe simply because you do not approve of the firearm being used or the way in which he discharged it.

In the videos you got such a kick out of I, and others, have an incredibly difficult time seeing any REAL safety violation being committed.

In the end, Duke, you seem to be just as emotional and detached from reality as those we collectively work so hard against regarding firearms ownership.

Also, why is this discussion in "Legal" instead of "General Gun Discussion?" I don't think there's really been a legal issue discussed here as of yet.
 
I don't care if he owns all surrounding 100,000 acres.

Up here in Maine, huge swaths of land are owned by individuals, paper companies, land trusts and others. People wander onto them all the time. It's not trespassing if they are hunting and some hunting seasons literally never end around here. If some guy hit a hunter, or even a trespasser, during a recreational shoot on his own land, he could be liable for their death or injury.

Even if he WASN'T legally liable, would he laugh off killing another human being? Probably, given his execrable attitude and behavior.

As to the safety violations, the most obvious one is shooting at the surface of water.
 
Oh, that's brilliant.

"Whaddaya need safety rules for? What are ya, yella?"

Hey, man; go play Russian Roulette for all I care. You're a big, brave man for it. No, I mean it.

Wait ... what are ya ... yella?
 
Even if he WASN'T legally liable, would he laugh off killing another human being? Probably, given his execrable attitude and behavior.

Yeah, now I'm convinced, you're just trolling. Don't you have anything better to do? :rolleyes:
 
so... nobody is alowed to have any fun because some biased, ignorant anti-gunner might misinterpret their actions?

Screw that. They will twist things to fit their dillusions anyway. Your all a bunch of Fudds.
 
While I have seen some bad videos on YouTube, I disagree that every single video of someone just shooting casually is bad.

To me, seeing these people talk normally and otherwise look normal, and shoot weapons responsibly shows me that guns are actually somewhat normal, and that all these guys aren't cops - that regular people can handle guns safely as well.

A few are idiots, and I don't doubt that. However, many of the videos I see are just fine, and make the point that the firearm is not a big bad monster only wielded by soldiers and cops.
 
I think some people dont understand that some gun vids are actually ment to be funny, and ive seen more negitive comments from gun owners then gun haters's,, seems like 99% of the responses are from gun owners worried about there gun rights when in fact they are the ones combining there rights with these videos in turn causing the very attention they dont want
 
I don't care if he owns all surrounding 100,000 acres.

Up here in Maine, huge swaths of land are owned by individuals, paper companies, land trusts and others. People wander onto them all the time. It's not trespassing if they are hunting and some hunting seasons literally never end around here. If some guy hit a hunter, or even a trespasser, during a recreational shoot on his own land, he could be liable for their death or injury.

You know I could use this same arguement to propose a ban on ALL hunting, since when you fire a high powered rifle at a deer it could move or you could miss. Then what happens to the bullet??

Yep you are right hunting/ firing any gun in the woods is unsafe and should be banned, after all it only takes one shot, and landowners / hunters should not be able to threaten the safety of the CHILDREN.....
 
Wrong, blaster.

Hunting is very safe -- provided you follow safety rules.

Such as, for example, shooting only with a backstop.

And not shooting at the surface of standing water.

And a lot of other things.
 
It's always a small group of idiots ruining it for the rest of us.
Do you know what this comment really says to my ears? "You might poison the well, so I want rights for me but not for thee."

The Fudd factor is high with this thread.
<sigh> It certainly does appear that way.

Putting forth a few amateur videos of people shooting recreationally and safely isn't going to sound the death knell for the Second Amendment.
I believe this to be true. And if the defense of the RKBA hinges predominantly on what people see on YouTube, why are all the folks in this thread who're so apoplectic about the crappy content NOT BOTHERING taking the time to post their own useful content?

The best part is the look of excitement on his face at the end.
Heaven forbid that we actually *encourage* the next generation of shooters who will continue the RKBA fight when we're all old and gray.

Nope. Can't do that. Let's all just sit back on our dead butts and make fun of them instead, since we know so much more than they do but can't be bothered to actually improve the situation.

:rolleyes:
 
We've gotten tired of trying to improve the situation, as the idiot kids call us fudds and safety nazis.
 
You've only brought it upon yourself.


Anyhow, what do you think of a guy walking around your range with a loaded pistol in a holster? Howabout a loaded rifle slung?
How many deaths in your state were from range accidents as opposed to hunting accidents?
 
I better not post up any of the vids of me dual wielding .357's or bump firing my Saiga - the way I nonchalantly shoot and enjoy myself (while still following all pertinent safety rules) without too much fuss might cause an outrage here...
 
Loaded guns are fine at the range. Some of us carry concealed just about everywhere. There have been a few "close encounters" with thieves and vandals at my range over the years, and servicing targets at the 200 yard berm can leave one rather exposed. So, loaded handguns are fine -- pointed in a safe direction or holstered.

A loaded rifle, slung, is different. Probably would get you kicked off the range and maybe get your card pulled, depending on who was there. Problem is, the problem children travel in packs, so one or two conscientious members don't want to contront eight guys blasting away and carrying loaded rifles. So it comes up at the club meetings, which the yahoos don't attend. At the meeting, loaded rifles offline and bump firing get banned for a year, and the range is temproarily patrolled at "bad" times. The problem children get kicked out of the club -- and then they wonder why, and get all self-righteous about their Second Amendment rights to trash the club.

Bump firing itself isn't so terrible, so long as you are shooting at an actual target on a berm -- as opposed to the creep shooting at the pond in the video. Not something I'd do on a busy day, but within reasonable limits and according to other safety rules/factors, not a problem. But the guys who seem to derive great joy from making noise (as opposed to hitting targets)with their guns never keep it within reasonable limits, and always abuse the situation until they get reported and kicked out.
 
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