Mosin, Mosin, Mosin, Blah, Blah, Blah

I took the dare.

I bought one.

I shot it.

I sold it.

If I want to shoot something long and primitive that was carried by real men, I'll take this:



A swamped barrel flintlock can have the most amazing balance, too. Nothing like it, apart from a really nice shotgun.

 

They must really suck.

 

shaggy430, when ammo for them was $0.08-0.10/round, you couldn't find a better deal on long range centerfire blasting. Crude yes, but also easy to clean up even if you were using corrosive ammunition.

Nowadays at twice the cost to shoot, they aren't as hot IMO, even if they still are one of the least expensive centerfire rifles for which you can find surplus ammunition.

jm

 

Cheap and easy enough for kids from non gun families to buy when they turn 18.

I have one, but I don't see the fascination. For a military bolt gun, I would choose (from my collection) the 1903A3, SMLE, Mauser 98K in that order before I got the the Mosin. It would be ahead of the MAS and the Arisaka. Not that those are bad rifles, but I just get along with them as well.

But I grew up in an era where we hated he Soviets. Emulating them was not something I would be caught doing. But times change and now it is cool to some people to do those things. I guess some day people will dress up as Iranian soldiers or Jihadists and head to the range with their guns to be cool. Just not my thing.

 

= Not cheap.

I'll stick with the mosin.
Much less work to shoot.
Probably more precise.
Ammo is cheap
I think they look cool.

and chances are, when you shoot a mosin, you ARE shooting a rifle that was carried and shot by a man (or several) who died fighting for his country, unlike said reproduction flintlock.

Its a good way to honor the spirit of those who helped defeat the germans under hitler.

As for the earlier years of this country and their hatred for "commies", well. I'm not going to get started. but lets just say that, maybe, it was the ridiculous spewings of drunk public figures in this country that led to unfounded and fantastical beliefs of another country full of things that for some reason, were less than human due to the unescapable political tyranny 'over there'.

 

not to mention theres a million variants ranging in rarity to, by the crate load to "only 1 left in existence"

 

here, how about a picture of my carbine?

 

Why a Mosin Nagant?

(1) Cheap
(2) Powerful
(3) Accurate
(4) Reliable
(5) Cheap ammo

I paid $75 from a private individual at a gun show and got the full M91/30 kit (gun, bayonet, toolkit, ammo pouch, 4 stripper clips, and 20 rounds of ammo). Good rifling. The only significant downside I've found is that the recoil can be unpleasant for some people. I added a rubber pad to mine, and it helps. For all its size, it's actually not heavy. It slings comfortably.

 

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my 91/30 was a 99.00 on special,when i can get outto shoot, everyone made fun of it till they shot it,now they all own one,now if i could find a finnish m39 or any fin ,or a u.s made westinghouse or remington made,theyve shot way up in price.i got rid of my yugo mausers,i like the mosin better.

 

If the Russians still use the 7.62 x 54 R to this day, then it says something about the caliber. Its been more than 100 yrs in Russian inventory (circa 1891). It killed more Krauts than we ve ever known during WW2. The US and UN forces faced it in Korea and Vietnam conflicts. ANd then up to the present day. So it thus say a whole lot of its effectiveness.

 

mosin

if you pull the cocking knob / safety back before you work the bolt to eject the spent round its as slick as can be,another plus is that the 4000+ rounds i have also work in my P.S.L. ak designed autoloading sniper rifle.my mosins are finnish not russian.

 

For the same amount you can pay for an all matching k98 mauser, you can own an arsenal of Mosin's. OK, so I have both.

I just picked up an M91 made in 1898, sure it has been re-arsonaled but it is just too cool. The M91 is the only one have that is counterbored and miss matched. I have two Ishevsk's, an M91/59 and an M91/38, the rest are Tula's.

M91
M91/30
M91/59 - 2ea
M38
M44
M91/38

All Russian so far.

There are just so many permutations of the rifle and it has the longest use history of any bolt action rifle that it has become a hobby in itself. It may not be the best rifle in the world, but it is a great rifle to be had at an affordable price.

 

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George Smith Patton

 

LoneCoon nailed it.

 

the carnage of the eastern front,Stalingrads Rattenkrieg and hordes of Germans desperately retreating with the hopes to surrender to Americans or Brits go to show the Soviets, their mosins and T34's helped plenty of "poor dumb bastards" die for their fatherland.

your dislike of the Mosin is duly noted AB. however it was a good enough arm, that could be made cheap enough and quick enough to hold back the Hun.

its repeated over and over again in history, and in many examples during WW2.

 

I really couldn't care less about the Mosin, either way. It's funny that you, or anyone, should think that it matters.

It's just fun to watch the Mosinheads come out and defend their religion.

I have a Hun dog, though.

 

I don't think it did that in WWI.

Maybe the masses of peasants under totalitarian rule (ie slaves of the state), had a lot to do with it in WWII. I give credit to the fighting men and women, not some wonder weapon, which the Mosin is clearly not.

 

Well, I'm not a Mosin enthusiast or a serious collector, but I do have two of them (run-of-the-mill Izhevsk 91/30 and M44). To be honest, they're mediocre rifles - both my 98K and K31 are vastly superior in terms of craftsmanship and ergonomics. Yeah, the sights are poor, the safety is virtually useless, the bolt is clunky (and awkward to take down, to boot), and the trigger sucks.

However, the fact remains that they were $70/each (with my C&R), and they're tough, functional, and accurate enough. More importantly, they're fun - and that alone is enough to keep them around.

P.S. - the arsenal-refinished M44 I have is probably one of the most impressive looking milsurps I've ever seen. The stock has a surprisingly rich grain with a nice deep gloss to it.

 

right, because things were going swimmingly on the western front during that same war. the Brits and the French were totally not hunkered down in the same trenches in the same stalemate. not to mention the crumbling Russian Empire would have far more effect on the war than what rifle they used. The results of the war for the Russians was long in design, hand in hand with the revolution. failed leadership.

since when is saying it was "good enough" saying its a wonder weapon? no ones saying its a wonder weapon.

all the nah sayers of the mosin would want to compare it to all things its not, nor ever intended to be. and base most arguments on prejudice and not reality.

 

I think they look neato. And my finns are nice shooters.

 

Was it not the defeat in the war that started the revolution and the crumbling of the empire??

I find it repulsive for you to imply that the French, British and the other allies were not doing their part to defeat the Germans during that stage of WWI. They suffered more causalities than the Germans from 1915-17. The French were suffering such loses that only the introduction of the American troops kept that country from failing.

 

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o.k im a mosin head,this thread has got me wanting another one,thanks guys.

 

I'm sorry, did I miss where he said they weren't doing their part?
because, oh wait, he said that the russians were equally screwed.
Jeeze, who knows what would have happened if I had MISINTERPRETED his statement.

 

Around 15 years ago I was in a gun shop with my stepdad and he bought one on the condition that I reimbursed him for half the cost of the gun. It looked kinda cool, so I reluctantly forked over the $25 to him from my next minimum wage paycheck. I recall the seller saying at the time that it was manufactured in Czechoslovakia, if my memory serves me correctly.

It sat in the back of my gun safe, virtually untouched until last week. Now, because of this forum, I've had to pull the thing out, clean it up, and start researching the history and info about it online. This isn't to mention shopping around for ammo prices, as the 15 or so rounds originally purchased with the gun likely won't be near enough for a trip to the range.

Also, I think that 'Enemy at the Gates' may have to be checked out from the local video store again sometime soon.

Is there some kind of financial reimbursement available from THR for all the time and money that is spent as a result of reading this forum? (I'm kidding!)