Mosin, Mosin, Mosin, Blah, Blah, Blah

being the roots of the revolution began around 1905,1906, the Parliment was dissolved returning what little power the people had to the Tsar. theTsar Abdicated in Feb of 1917. through out 1917 fighting between Communists, and Tsarist troops occur in major cities, by Nov. of 1917 the Communist held the power. it wasnt unitl March of 1918 that peace was restored with the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

so no, the Russians were not defeated prior tot he revolution. and no the losses suffered during the war were not the cause of the Revolution. the Revolution was long in the works, the deaths, food shortages and other hardships certainly worked to enflame the problem, but they were not the cause.

i find it repulsive that you apparently cant read. never did i dismiss the works of the brits or french. unless of course you are so prejudiced against the Russians you link my comparison of the two fronts stalemates as an insult.

 

What's the big deal and why do I like Mosins?

Cuz I can take my 200 dollar Finn M39 to an irons only competition, where everybody else was using 1903's and Swede's, and still raise some eyebrows.

Ohhhh ya baby!

 

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i would love to see enemy at the gates"again,and nice rifle and great shootin n4z..

 

I told myself at one point that I wouldn't get a Mosin-Nagant. Then I almost bought one of the $60 ones that Cole Distributing had at a local show - $60 for a 91/30, bayonet, sling, cleaning kit, ammo pouch and 20 rounds of ammunition. Then I decided I liked the look of the Finnish Mosins and had to buy one. When I got it, I was completely fascinated by the Rube Goldberg magazine. Now I have an M-44, a Type 53 and a 91/30 in addition to the M-39. And I want another M-39.

Also, I bought my wife an M-44 for our anniversary three years ago. Despite the fact that her vision keeps her from shooting it very well, she loves it.

 

This is my Mosin:


I put this rifle and all the "tacticool" accessories together for less than what most hunters have in their scope. It's surprisingly accurate and has been a real joy to shoot. I have no problem hitting a 6" target at 400 yards at my local range, provided I do my part. As a side note, I do shoot mostly Russian heavy ball (except for the 150 rounds of 7N1 I have hoarded away -- bought locally for $35 earlier this year, and NO, you can't have his number! )

You'll be hard pressed to find ANY rifle that will run you $75-150 that has the kind of history these rifles have. Mine is a 1942 manufacture, Izhevsk Arsenal, and has most likely slayed some Germans at some point during its life. The bolt may feel sloppy to someone used to a Mauser design, but it's no real bother to use. Most Mosins require a little TLC as-delivered to get them to shoot nicely; that may turn some people off to them. If you do put in the time and effort, they can be a nice shooting rifle for a GREAT price. Depending on the quality of the bore and rifling, you'd be hard-pressed to find a rifle that will shoot the same distance, same accuracy, and have the same power for anywhere near the price.

EVERYONE should have one... if only for when the zombies come!

 

Buy a MN, and here's what to do. Remove the bolt, run an electrical wire up the barrel, secure the rifle facing up on a base, then add your prefered wattage of lightbulb and a lamp shade and WOLLAH! You have yourself a very manly lamp that will surely be the center of attention to guests in your house.

 

I admire the Russian people. They have endured some serious hardship for a long, long time.

As for the gun, don't buy one it you don't like it. Blah, blah, blah.

 

There are certainly better rifles, or rifles which do some things better, to be had. This one sure is fun tho.

And since I don't see myself fighting for the Motherland, nor shooting people, nor bayonetting people, nor really much of anything other than plinking, informal target shooting, and occasional forays into deer or elk or antelope or coyote hunting, I just really enjoy the rifle.

Shooting the MN next to a K98, the K98 sure has a lot less perceived recoil IME.

Now if only I can learn how to properly hold and shoot the MN with a sling and all that, it is just fine!

 

I will give you some credit for this being a part of the issue.

The major part of the collapse and the inability of the government of the Tsar to control the population was the loss of Poland. Poland at the time was the base of the Russian industry and rail system. Once this was lost, and the army could not support itself, food could not be distributed in a efficient manner to the populace or army, war material production crippled, the war was lost. When the treaty was signed was irrelevant, the country could not pursue war (or maintain internal order), and that is a reason the revolution succeeded. Some of this was already in play by this time as the losses in the Russo-Japanese War, the Crimean War, and the Bosnia Crisis had already drained the military.


When the seeds of the revolution started? Did the seeds of the Cuban revolution start when Fidel was born? Worker revolution and unrest was prevalent in the world at that time, and while WWI proved to be the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back in Russia, it probably prevented worker revolutions in other countries. You can always look for that little thing to say was the seed, but it was major military defeat and the economic forces resulting from that the system could not deal with that led to the collapse.



Another point, when Russia entered war, even the vaunted Mosin was not there in significant supplies and hundreds of thousands of troops did not have arms. This being almost 20 years after it's adoption.



Now I am going to go out tonight, so I can respond to any other questions you have tomorrow.

 

OK, you want beauty and milsurp? Swede Mauser carbine, K98, Steyr 95.

 

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its one of several hundred reasons. the actions of Alexander III, the complete and total failure of Russo Japanese war, the Massacre of over 100 protesting strikers by Imperial Guards and so much more.

the major reason the Tsar couldn't control the population is because he was viewed as an out of touch, and illegitimate. this was caused by a number of reasons.

other factors that predate not only the War but the Mosin in total include the actions of Alexander III to crack down and reverse the liberal actions of Alexander II.

Nicholas II was seen as weak and indecisive. Weakness brings on the wolves.

i never argued any ONE thing was the seed. yet again you are seeing things that are not there.

i argued that the Anti tsarist revolution can date back to 1905. i didnt say the events of 1905 are the cause. (note, ROOTS stem from SEEDS and provide an anchor, your own botanical reference further proves my point)

Revolutions start when people have a grievance, and governments ignore or work to crush their dissent, rights are restricted, and legitimate powers are disregarded.

and the same can be said for the SMLE, 1903 and many other arms of the time.


you are editing history to fit your needs. ignoring the long term influences to the revolution and creating a break between the revolts of 1905 (equivalent, neh, worse than our "Boston Massacre"), the politics that followed it and the Revolt of 1917.

im done arguing the history of the Russian Revolution. im not a history professor, and since i reached the verifiable extent of my knowledge, im going to stop talking less i begin to talk about something i dont know.

 

I can't believe you guys are arguing over this. Get a life.

 

I'm with the OP. I wouldn't want one if you handed it to me for free. No offense intended - just personal preference.

 

add something constructive or relevant

 

American bolt gunners are most familiar with Mauser lineage rifles such as 1903s, Remmingtons, etc.. Most modern American bolt action rifles have evolved from the Mauser designs to one degree or another. The Mosin-Nagan, however, is totally different.

I think many people are turned off of Mosins because they feel and look very foreign. If you get a Mosin in good condition, you have a durable, hard hitting rifle of acceptable accuracy. For an open-minded utilitarian, they are very functional. Add in the history, and you have a truly great gun.
Eric

 

I'm getting one at the next gun show just because it's a part of the history of WWII.

Alsoplustoo - It's only 120 bucks for the whole kit.

 

Thanks to this thread I have to buy a Mosin! Mr Johnson.....that right there was funny!

 

Well... you can get 440 rounds for around $70 bucks. That's a mere 15 cents a cartridge.

You can't do that with anything else these days.

 

Here is why--

Total spent for all four rifles was about $200--

2 of the rifles (the middle Type 53s {Chicom M44s}) were $35 each from Omega. They were corn cob rough and had dirt and hay (?) in them. I cleaned them, cheacked the headspace for go/no go (both passed) and took them to shoot--- results? They shoot fine...

You could not make rifles like this today and sell them for under $100 a piece--

My M44 (far left) took a 6 PT Whitetail 3 weeks after I bought it in southern OK....

You may hate them, but they work.

 

My dad has one, a Polish M44, other than the stock being loose on the action, the trigger sucking ass, and the steel recoil plate it's not bad.

Just avoid the 1944 craptastic ammo, hang fires every other round.

 

all of the above can be fixed with a door, and a screwdriver. and a rock.

 

Where else can you buy a rifle with enough concussion to cause nosebleeds when fired for $80?
They're also rather handy at bug control. Go fire one at night near a bright light & all the bugs within a 15ft radius fall the ground & flop about..

I have 7 of them....
2x Izy 91/30's
Tula 91/30
Izzy 91/59
Izzy M38
Izzy M44
Polish M44

 

I like them.....

 

Hoppy
There might be a Sig line there.
Still a comment that rings very true in today's world.