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Don't resist, come over to the C&R side. You will not regret it, Of course your wife will:neener:

Once you get one, you will get another, and another. You will buy a gun that ammo for is scarce just to have it. It will sit in the safe except for once a year where you take it out, run 20 round through it, and then spend 4 hours cleaning it:D You will buy some just cause you can, they will sit in cosmoline indefinatly since you already have 5 that shoot 8mm so this one can stay "untouched"

Go ahead, buy some. Start with a mosin or two, get a few mausers and then go from there...
 
someone firing their Mosin-Nagant at a range causes a car alarm to go off in the parking lot

I've done that, but I don't have a video of it. I do have a slo-mo and a frame cap of the flamethrower in progress. Yes, I know I didn't have the rifle shouldered tight enough on the one shot.

jm
 
An M44 has the distinction of being the only gun at my range to outduel some ancient guy with his muzzleloader of indeterminate make. This old guy - very unfriendly, btw - would only get off a shot every few minutes... but that shot was THUNDEROUS. Had people swearing up and down the line. Ruined many groups. Caused two or three to pack up. Was completely within his rights as a shooter, but was also completely unwilling to even shout out a warning or do ANYTHING to be civil. He was spoken to a couple times, but he basically said "shove off" in coarser language. Worst of all, he refused to agree to a cold range so we could go down and inspect / change targets out.

Well, I was at the complete opposide side of the line from him shooting a 10/22. I was annoyed, but not affected or really concerned. Just plinking away.

Some guy rolls up, talks to the rest for a while, then from the four or five bags he has, chooses the smallest one... sits down at the vacant bench to the left of this guy... unwraps the first M44 I'd ever seen, extending the bayonet, pulls out a few stripper clips and loads up. He proceeds to unload maybe 50 rounds in about 5 minutes, and - as you would expect - it was LOUD. The muzzleloader was getting really cranky, had to re-aim a few times, and finally HE asks the M44 shooter to stop while he shoots. The M44 guy does so... and immediately go back to unloading these monster blasts. The muzzleloader guy is either pissed off, unnerved, or unable to reload in those conditions... so he packed up and left, muttering all the while. With the 'phones on, I had no idea what he was saying, but I'm sure it was nasty.

After he left, the M44 guy immediately switched over to a Savage bolt-action and started shooting slowly and deliberately...

So they are tools with multiple uses, to be sure... ;)
 
Don't resist, come over to the C&R side. You will not regret it, Of course your wife will

Once you get one, you will get another, and another. You will buy a gun that ammo for is scarce just to have it. It will sit in the safe except for once a year where you take it out, run 20 round through it, and then spend 4 hours cleaning it You will buy some just cause you can, they will sit in cosmoline indefinatly since you already have 5 that shoot 8mm so this one can stay "untouched"

Go ahead, buy some. Start with a mosin or two, get a few mausers and then go from there...
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Actually I already have a Yugo M48. I love the Mausers and will buy more in the future.The Yugo SKS's have had my attention for a while and I've long considered buying one(neat little carbines). I have trouble justifying the Mosins when they fire a different caliber that fills the same niche as the 8mm Mauser.
Still tempting though.
How does the accuracy of Yugo and Czech Mausers compare to the Mosins?

And all of my firearms have a use and are used. I don't have the luxury to stockpile though I wish I did. I also prefer to reload as those surplus rounds tend to be inconsistent, corrosive(requires extra care during cleaning), and sometimes locks my bolt up to the point I have to slap the bolt with the heel of my hand to open it. Not surprising since the stuff is 50 years old.

So I already love milsurps. Solid, reliable, accurate, and powerful. Can't ask for more. They're functional works of art.
 
My m44 was in the arsenal wrapper with a virgin barrel. it is very accurate for it's sights. I've got a yugo sks, they're well built as far as sks' go, but shoot as accuratly as any other sks. Your m48 will not fill the niche of an m44, you m48 doesn't breath fire:evil:

For $70 it's worth it, just look out for counter boring and muzzle erosion, an m38 I looked at yesterday didn't have any rifling on the last 4" of the barrel, super erroded.

I shoot 1970's romanian 8mm in my mauser, it's much better than any other surplus 8mm I've shot. The lighter bullet and higher velocity means they actually hit where they should at 100 yards.
 
Counter-boring can actually be a good sign - I've been told it can indicate a full refurbishment at the arsenal... from what I understand, when a gun is counter-bored, it often has the rifling re-cut also.
 
I gotta tell you guys, that huge boom is one of my favorite things about the rifle. There is just something cool about something that small and old making that much noise.
 
Counter-boring can actually be a good sign - I've been told it can indicate a full refurbishment at the arsenal... from what I understand, when a gun is counter-bored, it often has the rifling re-cut also
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The down side is of course the bore gets wider and wider with each rearsenal. Some of the M-38's have bores over .314", so accuracy can suffer unless you handload it with .303 bullets or 7.65 Argie bullets. Slug the bore first to see what it's at.
 
Gunny, ATI makes one, but it requires drilling, tapping, etc. on the original bolt body, which you should NEVER do, IMHO. Or some people on the 'net do it themselves. You send them a bolt body(I would purchase another one off eBay if my original one had matching numbers to the rest of the gun) and you pay them around $40-$55 dollars and they make the bolt handle longer and bend it like the Mosin Nagant sniper rifles made during WWII.
 
Is 7.62x54 really that much worse than .30-06?
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My best friend has a couple of MNs, one a M44.

He hadn't shot them in a while, and we loaded up the truck and headed to the back 40. With my stuff, Uzis, ARs, we go through tons of ammo. A few shots in to the M44 and he looks at the pile of ammo we brought for it and says "do you really want to shoot this thing that much?"
 
People always look at me dirty when I rapid-fire my M44.

It's great.

Also, opening up in rapid fire (with my FN49) is pure awesome. Especially with a bunch of other fun-oriented guys and their autoloaders/military bolt-actions. I think the final count for all of us doing continuous fire, just ringing our bay, was...

-My FN49
-A FAL
-An AR
-An AK
-An SKS
-A Mauser

Good times at FETC...

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fal 4 me said:
Compared to what? The gun weighs over 8.5 lbs, unloaded, that's heavier than most deer rifles. I've only shot Brown Bear 203 grain soft points through mine, but I thought the recoil wasn't as bad as my 30-06 Savage 116 off a bench designed for someone smaller than my 6'1'' frame. It's a fun gun to shoot, more accurate than my Yugo SKS, and recoil isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
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Get a mosin carbine (M38 or M44) and load it with some old mil-surp heavy ball. Some Hungarian around 174gr ought to work. You'll quickly realize that the commercial stuff you've been shooting doesn't really compare to the old mil-surp. Even the newer mil-surp stuff isn't as bad.
The old stuff is hot and dirty even by Russian standards. The fireball is big, the noise is big and the butt plate is unforgiving.

Oddly enough, I find the Czech light ball to be a joy to shoot out of the short rifle. Quick, accurate, relatively clean and it won't destroy your hearing.
 
m38 vs m91/30

which one would be better for hunting. i have heard the 91/30 is 11lbs compared to the m38 which is around 8. is a new stock better for reducing recoil. i saw read that there was roughly 15lbs of recoil from a 148 grain bullet any truth to this. i been looking into buying one of these rifles for a while now so i ve been doing the research and stumbled along this forum was hoping to get help. im looking to hunt mule deer, blacktail, black bear and wild boars. im thinking a 180g soft point should work right.
 
welcome darkknight

get both, at under $100 each you can shoot both and then decide (I have an m44, want a m38 an 91/30...soon). A new stock would lower weight and increase felt recoil. For hunting it won't me much recoil. 180grain sp shout work great. I've talked with people who have hunted hog, black bear and deer with it. oh a 91/30 has a much mildier recoil too.
 
I've had trouble locating Mosin's around here for under $100. Some of them have even been defiled with plastic stocks. The Yugo SKS's seem to be pricier than normal too and not in that great of condition. I need to look harder.
 
I've had trouble locating Mosin's around here for under $100. Some of them have even been defiled with plastic stocks. The Yugo SKS's seem to be pricier than normal too and not in that great of condition. I need to look harder.
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That's why you do the C&R. No need to find them locally, you make a phone call and a few days later this really cool big brown truck drops them right off at your door.
 
i have heard the 91/30 is 11lbs compared to the m38 which is around 8.
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Actually, the 91/30 weighs about 8 3/4 lbs and the M38 is about 7 1/2. The M44 is the heaviest of them at nine pounds.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

People probably feel more bruised by the M-44 because of the psychological impact of the increased flash and bang. In addition, it is not as well balanced as the 91/30 and tends to be barrel heavy because of the bayonet assembly.

I've carried all three around on long hikes and even by bike over the years, and the M-38 is the most totable. But the 91/30 isn't bad either, esp. since you can be a lazy frotovik and carry it over your shoulder by gripping the barrel. The only one I get annoyed with is the M-44.
 
Which 7.62x54R ammo gives the biggest fireball? I have used czech and russian. Russian had a HUGE fireball, but the czech has little to none. (both shoot very well though).

Where can I find the big fireball ammo???????

-koko
 
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