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Mosin Nagant M44 Options?

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  1. Paladin7

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    Friends,

    I have a pristine Polish Mosin Nagant M44 (Radom Factory 11) that I shot for the first time a week or two ago...great fun.

    The ammo is cheap and the gun is minute of Nazi accurate, so I would like to make some improvements, yet keep the rifle in as issued condition as much as is possible to retain its potential collector value in years to come.

    So, I'm considering a Timney Trigger, which has the trigger block safety, which would eliminate the crappy Mosin safety, which is, in my opinion, one of the biggest drawbacks to using this gun in the field for hunting.

    The problem is that I do not want to inlet the existing stock for the Timney Trigger.

    I would like to get an original wood stock for this rifle but I cannot find any that are worthy of purchase at this point in time and I don't want to put a synthetic stock on it. I would like to keep it original as issued as much as possible.

    Does anyone know where I can find a good wood stock for this rifle?

    Thanks in Advance
     
  2. Ryanxia

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    I've been told the Type 53 (or whatever the Chinese carbine model is) is compatible with the stocks. These are cheaper and a lot of times not in the best of shape to begin with so you don't feel so bad about modifying it.

    Please don't cut up an M44 stock. :D
     
  3. morcey2

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    Hmm. If you're only getting "minute of nazi" accuracy out of it, you're probably not using the right ammo. It should be giving 2 inch or better with light ball. The trigger on mine is fantastic. The safety is controversial but like the bolt if you use your arm muscles it should be easy to engage and disengage. Grab with the base of your index finger and thumb, then pull with your arm rather than trying to turn your wrist. It's also silent and very secure.

    As to the stock, I'd suggest getting a surplus post-war Russian laminated stock as those are very nice handling and you won't have to worry about scarring the valuable blondie stock. I've been considering doing this myself for my own Pole.
     
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    I just picked up a new unissued Polish M44. I haven't had it out yet. It's without a doubt the finest quality Mosin I have seen. Fit and finish is perfect. It beats any Russian I have seen. I wouldn't think about changing anything.
    My suggestion is trying different ammo or good reloads. Trigger jobs are easy on these rifle if you know what you are doing. Mine has a 6lb trigger and that's good enough for me.
    Try re-torque the trigger housing / action screws and make sure they are even and snug. Make sure your bore is clean and not gummed up with grease.
    Don't mess with the stock.
     
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    If you have one of the new, unisued ones I would leave it alone. I have one and have less than 100 rounds through it. They have gone up 5X or morein price. Get a common Russian one to modify.
     
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    There are a lot of synthetic Mosin stocks available if you wish to modify it for a hunting weapon.
     
  8. morcey2

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    On an M91/30 or M38, that would be a reversible option. On an M44, you have to either pull the entire bayonet mount off the barrel or bend the barrel bands off from around the barrel. Those aren't always reversible and would completely devalue the gun. A polish M44 is one of the finest mosins ever made. I think the OP was thinking something like putting a normal military stock on it, but one that has no intrinsic value and shoot that with a more gooder trigger in it.

    Matt
     
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    Congrats on wanting to keep it original. I understand not wanting to go plastic, but if you want to hunt with it that might be best, past that just keep your eyes sharp for something that bubba is tossing.

    Try gunboards, most of those guys like to keep them intact but I have seen some sell off stuff that they have gotten from people after they decide they don't want to play gunsmith in their moms basement.
     
  11. rondog

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    For hunting, you don't have to carry the rifle cocked. Simply decock it for carrying, then pull the knob back to cock it when you get a chance for a shot. That's why it's called a cocking knob.

    Very easy and much safer.
     
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  13. Cosmoline

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    There is no "decocker" on a Mosin-Nagant. There is only firing or putting the safety on properly. Some have suggested you can simply rest the pin on a live round. This is of course madness. Others have suggested keeping the bolt handle up out of battery. This is unreliable at best. And it doesn't take too much engagement for the thing to fire even if the bolt handle is part way up. If the bolt is moving freely, it will rattle around and fall back and forth.

    If you do truly not have the strength to operate the Mosin safety, either leave the chamber empty or get a different rifle. But I would suggest learning to use your arm muscles. In time it will seem very easy.
     
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    Just your opinion. No need to be offensive about it.
     
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    Cocking knob forward on a live round...danger Will Robinson...danger!
    As Cosmoline said, there is only two ways to safely carry this rifle, a round chambered and the safety on, or the bolt closed on an empty chamber, then, cycle the bolt to load a round for the shot!

    Check out Gunpartscorp.com (Numrich Arms) they list replacement stocks in Very good condition P/N 932420 for $61.75.
    Don't know, this may work for you-
     
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    If you find a stock without a handguard, I've got a couple kicking around that you can have one of. They've been sanded some (prior to coming into my posession) so they may be slightly loose, but that can be fixed with a little creativity. Or epoxy. Or baling wire. We like baling wire.

    Not just an opinion. Depending on the primer and the rifle, that's a recipe for disaster. A good, hard bump on the cocking piece or a hard strike with the butt of the rifle on something can fire the round. Just because a person has done it before and nothing bad has happened doesn't make it safe to do. You can drive around for years without a seat belt without incident, but it only takes once to really ruin a good day.

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  17. Paladin7

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    Thanks for all the great input...

    I have no intention of ruining my existing stock by inletting it.

    I've tried the Mosin safety and it is cludgy at best, but I can manipulate it. I like the Timney Trigger because it is more positive and silent. It also provides a better trigger pull which is icing on the cake.

    I will look into that stock at Gun Broker...that one looks reasonable.

    The LibertyTree stocks are all beat to crap. I called them and they gave me very honest input on the stocks they have left.

    And thanks morcey2 for your offer, very generous...

    Thanks Again!
     
  18. carbine85

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    Agreed. These are not the best rifles to carry with a loaded chamber.

    Keep your eye out for a stock. I just found one for $20 with the hand guard in excellent shape. I'm using it to glass bed a rifle and preserve the other stock.
     
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    I'm not trying to offend, just point out that what you suggested was not only incorrect, but exceptionally dangerous. This misinformation has been spreading around for a few years now. I think it came from someone's youtube video. Please don't spread it around.
     
  20. Red Tornado

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    Before you invest in a new stock and Timney trigger, you might try shimming the trigger to see if that helps. I've done it on a couple of Mosins and it's a huge difference. I'm not saying it'll be a Timney, but it's free and entertaining.
    RT
     
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    FWIW - I personally wouldn't walk around while hunting carrying ANY kind of rifle with a round chambered, safety engaged or not. IMO the only time to carry a rifle with a chambered round would be in a combat zone. But that's just me.

    My comment about lowering the striker on a Mosin was in the thought of sitting in a blind or against a tree while watching and waiting for deer, not while scampering around over hill and dale. And I wouldn't do it in a tree stand either, not that you'd ever see my fatass up in a tree stand to begin with.....

    My Mosins will never see hunting duty anyway, there's far too many other rifles in my safe better suited for that. My Mosins only get rounds chambered when I'm at a bench and ready to fire, so I never use the safeties on them anyway - no need to. If I'm not lining up on a target, the bolt's open. Heck, the same goes for all the rifles and pistols I shoot.

    The only times I can recall ever carrying a loaded long gun were upland bird hunting in my youth, but that's been 35+ years ago. The only guns that I carry loaded anymore is my CCW that I'm using at any given time.
     
  22. TrickyDick

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    Why are people so hell bent on modifying a rifle for "Hunting" use? I use my MN 91/30 as is for hunting. There's no reason to modify a military rifle for hunting, if you want a sporter, BUY A SPORTER. But Milsurp rifles will do just fine in their original configuration.
    mnhunting_zpsa66c78a3.jpg
     
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    Well said. I've hunted with one of my stock 91/30's and this year will be with an M44.
     
  24. Paladin7

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    So, I ended up buying a Chinese Type 53 Stock that I will inlet and re-finish, the Timney Trigger comes next.

    Couple of answers to the comments on why do this...

    I picked up this Mosin a few years ago for around $100. Buying a replacement stock, Timney Trigger and Limbsaver Slip On Recoil Pad, is a very small investment to make the rifle more enjoyable to shoot, safer and more versatile.

    For around a $300 investment all in, I get...

    1. A very reliable and powerful rifle that can shoot cheap milsurp ammo all day long which is great practice for other, more expensive, centerfire rifles. Practice is the key thing here. This is one of the biggest reasons to buy a Mosin. Figure out how much it costs to get the same amount of practice with a 308 or 30-06 to get good with it from real field positions (standing, prone, seated, snap shooting, etc.), and you will know what I'm talking about.

    2. A hunting rifle that I'll actually be good at shooting from multiple field positions, due to all the practice I can get with it.

    3. A Mosin with a much better, quieter for hunting, and more positive safety

    4. An historically significant collectors rifle to enjoy

    Just to re-iterate, I don't plan on making any other modifications and will always keep this rifle in a condition where I can easily convert it back to stock Milsurp to preserve its collector value for future generations to enjoy.
     
  25. carbine85

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    Bedding the stock, Russian trigger job, and a set Mojo sights can make these things pretty accurate.
    If you don't have a means of boiling the stock you can try the dish washer on the hot pots & pans cycle.
     
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