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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by CPLofMARINES, Dec 31, 2009.

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  1. CPLofMARINES

    CPLofMARINES Member

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    Happy New Year, everyone.
    I just purchased an M38 Mosin-Nagant for 149.99 @ Dunham's. All matching
    serial #'s, from what I could tell, very clean. The manual it came with
    was not very detailed with info. My ? is can you dry fire them. I am sure
    I will have a few more ??'s in the near future. I would really appreciate
    any input.


    Semper Fi!!
     
  2. rondog

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    Sure, you can dryfire just about anything, but it's not recommended for .22 rimfires.

    Congrats on the M38, I just bought one too! A 1943. The stock finish is nasty, but all numbers match and the metal looks great. I'll refinish the wood anyway. Haven't shot it yet, paid $139 at Big 5 Sporting Goods, probably the same as your Dunham's.

    If it has this groove milled on the stock, it's an M44 stock, which seems to be very common on M38's. That groove is for the M44's bayonet to lay in. And has it been counterbored? I hear that most have, mine is about 1/4".

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  3. Cosmoline

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    You can dry fire the Mosin, just make extra sure it's empty with an empty mag. I always pinky-finger check the chamber on my Mosins as well as a visual check.

    It's also a good idea to practice working the safety. Once you learn how to engage it it's pretty neat and about the safest safety ever designed.
     
  4. ineedmoney

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    my safety is such a pain in the ..........finger to put on how can i fix it?
    im kinda a little guy but i think iam strong for my size , even my friend that is 6'4 has a hard time getting it on safety, he is very strong, bench like....i don't kno atleast 250lbs. anyway anyone kno how i can fix my safety?


    i dont think you can hurt nothing by dry firing....except air
     
  5. 19-3Ben

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    Forget the safety. Lost cause on Mosins. Notoriously difficult.
    the standard answer on gunboards is:
    "Iz Russian gun. Iz shoot. No safety."

    CPL enjoy the M38. I love my Mosins but lemme tell ya, those M38's kick like mad. Even worse than my M44's.

    (that being said, I totally want to get an M38. It's the only major category of Mosin I have not yet owned.)
     
  6. rondog

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    I bought one of those safeties that's been modified with a ring welded onto it, and it works great! Looks like the Swiss K31. Still can't get my fat finger into it, but it works a lot better! They're on eBay and Gunbroker.
     
  7. cz85cmbt

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    I dry fire everything except older military rifles because because the firing pins can break, I think it's because they are in many cases longer than modern pins and have no way to slow down during dry firing. Stopping them so abruptly can get them to break. The other thing is you can dry fire modern rimfires, they have a firing pin stop to prevent the pin from hitting the breach face.
     
  8. ineedmoney

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    i think i will just keep 4 rounds in it, like i been doing, no safety for me, lock and load when ready to shoot, unless iam hunting then i will just have to be real careful
     
  9. CPLofMARINES

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    rondog, yes it is an M44 stock. counterbored, do you mean re-rifled. the 1/4
    inch gap you speak of, is that @ the crown where the grooves start.


    Semper Fi!!
     
  10. mannac

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    I actually like the safety on my 91/30 for when I'm not using it. It's idiot proof :D
     
  11. rondog

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    Well, not re-rifled, more like drilled out. Old rifles like that tend to have the rifling worn down at the muzzle, from years of vigorous bore cleaning with steel cleaning rods, which affect accuracy. Part of the re-arsenaling process would be to bore out, or counterbore, the first 1/4" to 1" of the muzzle, to clean out the worn area back to where the rifling is still good and sharp.

    In the goodie bags that come with most surplus Mosins, a lot of them have a steel cap with a hole in it, along with the other tools. That cap was intended to go over the muzzle when the soldier was running the cleaning rod in and out, to prevent the rifling wear at the muzzle.

    Here's a photo of my M38's muzzle, you can see how it's been bored out about 1/4" deep right at the end.

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  12. Cosmoline

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    Nonsense. The Mosin safety is a piece of cake. Here's how you do it. Grasp the knob with your right hand, left hand gripping the firearm and buttstock braced comfortably. Rather than trying to twist it with your wrist muscles, keep your wrist locked and pull back and over with your arm muscles.

    If a fat old lawyer can do it, a Marine can do it.

    Remember to use your hand to cycle the bolt, not your finger tips. Smack it up and back with the palm, down and lock with the base of your thumb.
     
  13. Nicodemus38

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    never saw anywhere russian soldiers, or anyone sense, used the safety in combat. rifle wasnt meant to be loaded until you went into combat. ie, once someone starts shooting at you, pull bolt back, insert 5 cartridges, close bolt, shoot, repeat.
     
  14. mannac

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    Of course, but we're not in a war zone here.
     
  15. Yellowtail3

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    The safety works, you just have to use correct technique. If you're right-handed, here's how: hold rifle at port arms - put butt of rifle inside right elbow, against bicep, with right forearm across top of stock - grasp safety w/fingers of right hand - rifle is braced w/butt against your right bicep - pull back and rotate safety.

    makes much more sense once you've done it. YOu're using forearm muscles -

    i use it when walking in/out of woods -
     
  16. elmerfudd

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    The problem people have with Mosin safeties is that they try to engage them using the muscles in their fingers. Just grab the safety knob with your index and middle fingers like it was a bowstring. Then pull it back using your arm and back muscles like you were drawing a bow or a slingshot.
     
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    good get; m38's are starting to dry up. should have at least 3 serial numbers on them; receiver bridge, bolt, bottom of magwell. See if it is counter bored, look down the muzzle, to see if it looks smooth for about an inch, and then rifleing starts. if no counter bored, then possible it is unfired.
    No worries, the m38 is a great all around rifle; lots of bullets out there; new and milsurp. just clean with hot water, after you fire milsurp, you can use window cleaner as well, but hot water cuts salts as well as anything.
    to me, I like the rifles better than most 308 stuff out there; it can take a beatdown, it fires a hot round, they come from 147 grain, all the way up to about 205 grainers, the sweet spot for heat, speed, and accuracy should be between 170 and 180 grains.
    I like the 185's from brown bear, in hollow points; very nice accuracy.
    Also, if you get a chance, fire it at night a few times, and take some video; they are total flame throwers.
    Everything you wanted to know about mosins are on 2 sites;
    check there for your trigger job, and to cut Sticky Bolt Syndrome, which may
    or may not effect you;
    http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp
    http://7.62x54r.net/


    oh yeah, did you get the green dog collar sling, with the leather straps
    on the ends? Cuz' if not, then that alone is the best completeing detail of the
    mosin. They can be had for about 20 bucks, and they are mostly brannew.
     
  18. Arbor

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    I like my mosin safety. It is very secure and easy to use once you get used to it. I have killed three deer with my mosin, the safety was never a problem.
     
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    Good for you! I liked my M38, but it was not a good example and eventually was sold.

    Hope you enjoy your rifle.
     
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    Mosin safeties are very easy to use with the technique Cosmoline describes above.

    You aren't going to hurt them dry firing, the only milsurp that I've ever harmed dry firing was a Yugo M48- due to poor machining/heat treat on the bolt/firing pin.
     
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    I only laode 4rounds in my 91/30, I can not grab the safety becuase of the scope I have on it. The smith did a great job with the handle not one of those ati pos.
     
  23. Cosmoline

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    I was sold on the Mosin safety a few years ago when I was hiking in the Chugach, 91/30 slung with a round in the chamber, safety on. I was walking across an old bridge, slipped on some algae and did a pratfall. The rifle was launched high up and then fell down to the river rocks below. The rifle was fine and the safety didn't budge.
     
  24. Sock Puppet

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    That's good to know, Cosmoline. I feel pretty secure with the design of the safety on my Mosins, but never tested them in quite that way. :)
     
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    Thats the reputation and even the experience of a lot of Mosin shooters, but as Cosmo said, it's a matter of technique.
     
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