mosin v. mauser
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I’m getting "defensive" because your making implications that the Mosins extractor is inferior based on what I can only imagine amounts to " a friend of a friend knows a guy who once broke an extractor." story
its not "fanboy frenzy". its criticism of standards and doubt of the basis of claims
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I was especially interested in the extractor issue because I have heard/read/same difference that they had issues but have no first-hand knowledge of same (don't own a Mosin-YET) and no one I know has had any such issues. I really don't know-I mean, the device doesn't look to me as impressive as the same on the 98, but as pointed out that ostensible inferiority is in now way dispositive. I started a thread some time back on the K31 & concerns over it's lacking extraction power since it was not a full-tilt traditional rotary bolt and NO ONE answering had any problems with GP11, reloads, or commercial ammo. Point being, in analogy, the concernseemed rational, but no empirical data presented yet-and, actually, looks loke that bolt rotates, anyway! All things made by made can fail, but at least for me part of the fun is analyzing the systems and seeing the potential weak spots, then looking for any data one way or the other. I admit the concept may be juvenile to a degree, but who hasn't (1) spent a lot of time on the wild and (2)held in interest in these old weapons, designed and built to, frankly, protect lives by taking lives under the worst possible conditions without thinking over (preferably with a good cigar and a single-malt) contigencies and comparisons and such. Thanks for all the information and observations.
I was especially interested in the extractor issue because I have heard/read/same difference that they had issues but have no first-hand knowledge of same (don't own a Mosin-YET) and no one I know has had any such issues. I really don't know-I mean, the device doesn't look to me as impressive as the same on the 98, but as pointed out that ostensible inferiority is in now way dispositive. I started a thread some time back on the K31 & concerns over it's lacking extraction power since it was not a full-tilt traditional rotary bolt and NO ONE answering had any problems with GP11, reloads, or commercial ammo. Point being, in analogy, the concernseemed rational, but no empirical data presented yet-and, actually, looks loke that bolt rotates, anyway! All things made by made can fail, but at least for me part of the fun is analyzing the systems and seeing the potential weak spots, then looking for any data one way or the other. I admit the concept may be juvenile to a degree, but who hasn't (1) spent a lot of time on the wild and (2)held in interest in these old weapons, designed and built to, frankly, protect lives by taking lives under the worst possible conditions without thinking over (preferably with a good cigar and a single-malt) contigencies and comparisons and such. Thanks for all the information and observations.
meaning what? ya lost meskypirate7
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Well, Mosin Nagants are still in limited production in almost original form (different stock) in Russia though they aren't in official military service. Militia groups all over the world still use Mosin Nagants from the WW1/WW2 era.
Enfields are still in military service in India as reserve weapons. There were pictures of a bunch of Indian soldiers carrying them last year in the aftermath of some terrorist attack. I think a company in Australia still manufactures some Enfields for collectors. Various militia groups still use Enfields, such as in Afghanistan and the Solomon Islands.
As for Mausers, their design has been copied and modified in a wide variety of sporter and military bolt actions. However, the Mauser in its original form is no longer produced nor in official military service, and old Mausers do not seem to be common with militia groups.
Was the Mauser design influential? Certainly. Many modern bolt-actions base their designs around the principles of the Mauser 98. But Mosin Nagants and Enfields can boast that their designs are still used today in their original unaltered form.
Enfields are still in military service in India as reserve weapons. There were pictures of a bunch of Indian soldiers carrying them last year in the aftermath of some terrorist attack. I think a company in Australia still manufactures some Enfields for collectors. Various militia groups still use Enfields, such as in Afghanistan and the Solomon Islands.
As for Mausers, their design has been copied and modified in a wide variety of sporter and military bolt actions. However, the Mauser in its original form is no longer produced nor in official military service, and old Mausers do not seem to be common with militia groups.
Was the Mauser design influential? Certainly. Many modern bolt-actions base their designs around the principles of the Mauser 98. But Mosin Nagants and Enfields can boast that their designs are still used today in their original unaltered form.
Eleven Mike
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Firstly, because it has nothing to do with the thread topic. To wit:
But, this being the internet, the thread has naturally drifted to the general question of which is better. And the Mauser's influence on other designs doesn't make it better than the Mosin.
JesseL
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skypirate7 said:
I think that more an accident of history than a reflection of the merits of any of the rifle designs under discussion. How many colonies or member states did Germany control after WWII?
skypirate7
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Good point. I didn't consider that.
Damien45
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I did not read through all of the posts. I stopped when I realized that the general thought is "it's a matter of your opinion." I agree with that, and here is mine.
A while back my friends and I all got into restoring and firing (very regularly) old WWII rifles. There were 3 of us who argued this to no end. One was a MN fan, another was an Enfield fan and I was the devout Mauser guy. What it all boiled down to was preference. If they had their way, someone would have taken my mauser away from me. I shot a quarter at a 100yrds with the open sights. I loved my mauser!
Not to say the other rifles couldn't do it, just the people shooting them! lol
A while back my friends and I all got into restoring and firing (very regularly) old WWII rifles. There were 3 of us who argued this to no end. One was a MN fan, another was an Enfield fan and I was the devout Mauser guy. What it all boiled down to was preference. If they had their way, someone would have taken my mauser away from me. I shot a quarter at a 100yrds with the open sights. I loved my mauser!
Not to say the other rifles couldn't do it, just the people shooting them! lol
Damien45
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Let's not forget that there are many rifle companies that still use the Mauser Action as the basis for their rifles. What's that say about durability and manufacturing?
This is a...
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... kind of question.
Expect only technical data, "i've heard that...", "my buddy's gun...", and strong personal feelings compiled within every answer.
That put aside - I like the Mosin, I've heard that the Mauser...
Ford Mustang or Chevrolet Camaro
Marlboro or Camel
Budweiser or Miller
Blondes or Brunettes
... kind of question.
Expect only technical data, "i've heard that...", "my buddy's gun...", and strong personal feelings compiled within every answer.
That put aside - I like the Mosin, I've heard that the Mauser...
schmidtbender
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Mauser +++
Get a swede 96 Match rifle or an unissued Persian long 8X57 and the debate is over. Both are sub MOA rifles and don't look like a farm tool.
The swede kicks less and the 98 with 196 ball blows the mosin round away.
Last point is look at what the market is paying for them vs the commie clunker.
Get a swede 96 Match rifle or an unissued Persian long 8X57 and the debate is over. Both are sub MOA rifles and don't look like a farm tool.
The swede kicks less and the 98 with 196 ball blows the mosin round away.
Last point is look at what the market is paying for them vs the commie clunker.
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