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Most accurate .308 rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by spook22, Oct 7, 2010.

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  1. spook22

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    Hey looking to get the most accurate long range .308 rifle for less than $1,000. I am going to use this as mostly a target gun out to 400 yards, or more possibly. Thanks guys
     
  2. TonyAngel

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    Most accurate and under $1000? I'm new to bolt guns personally, but have seen lots at the range and have shot quite a few of them. The most popular are either the Savage or Remington 700 in some flavor of tactical or varmint model. Just keep in mind that it won't do anything that you aren't capable of.
     
  3. JDMorris

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    truth, i woud suggest a howa m1500 sporter .308
    mine shoots sub moa ususally.
    and they cost 550.
    and can be upgraded like crazy.
     
  4. kis2

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    snipercentral actually has a pretty comprehensive list of rifles with great accuracy and usually list a street price, you might look around there for a little while. http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

    I would concur that most .308 bolt actions I see are 700 or savage heavy barrels. howa or weatherby could certainly be an option, but if your budget without glass is 1k, I'd be looking into the remingtons and savages. If that was your budget WITH glass, I would still be looking at some of the cheaper remington 700's, as most of their heavy barreled actions are nearly, if not, the same.

    good luck!
     
  5. WNTFW

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    Is the $1k rifle only or does it include scope?

    Consider a .223 also. Slightly more economical to shoot. Used can be a good way to save some money.

    Weatherby Vanguard is Made by Howa & deserves a look.

    Handloading may be worth it to you.
     
  6. TonyAngel

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    Yeah, .223 is definitely an option and will do 400 yards pretty easily. It's also cheaper to buy and load for.
     
  7. WNTFW

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    TonyAngel,
    My first time with a .223 bolt gun really impressed me. The rifle was a real shooter. My first 2 shots were less than .75" apart @ 600 yds. Of course I managed to open up my group over the next 20 shots!
    Easier on recoil as well. If you have a .223 AR (seen yours on here) they go together nicely. Great for paper targets. Bullet holes are a wee bit harder to spot, but at some point range and mirage becomes prohibitive no matter what.
     
  8. USSR

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    Individual rifles are accurate or not so much so, not a particular make or model as a whole. That being said, get a rifle with a heavy contour barrel, have the rifle bedded, and lighten up the trigger. Then, go searching for good optics, and put the scope in good tactical rings. Good luck on the less than $1,000 thing.

    Don
     
  9. Snakum

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    I started competing in long range tactical matches earlier this year. I hadn't shot long range since post-level sniper school in the Army. I researched for hours and hours to find the right rifle/scope combo in my price range (same as yours), talked to a lot of more experienced long range shooters, read everything I could get my hands on, and tried to shoot every brand and model I could before buying. And here's what I found (YMMV):

    * Individual examples of any brand can be a complete turd or can be a stellar shooter. I've seen inexpensive Howas shoot lights out while I've seen a high dollar custom rifle that would barely stay under 1 MOA. It's just the luck of the draw sometimes, though specific brands and models can tend to be very accurate as a rule, such as Savage 10FCPs/10FP LEs, etc. which are practically always serious shooters. Or Remington 700Ps which are almost always very accurate right
    off the shelf.

    * To go from a .750" weapon to a .500" starts to get real pricey. To get under .500" consistently you really gotta hammer the savings account. But then again ... you might buy an off-the-shelf Howa 1500 or Remington SPS Varmint or SPS Tactical that will group under .500" right out of the box. Ya just don't know. :D

    * The base model Remington 700 Varmint and Tactical rifles can be made to shoot as well as any $3000 custom if you have the time and money to put into it. And if you get a good one off the shelf (Remington QA seems to be getting it back together of late) you can shoot it as is till you need more accuracy as you improve. If you can wait and build on a base rifle as money allows, the heavy barreled Remington 700 is the ticket. The aftermarket support for the SPS line is second to none and it is the most common rifle by far at long range tactical comps. If you get a good one, you'll be set for a while, and you will still have money for a Bushnell 3200 or SS 10x and rings.

    * If you need a reliable and known .500" - .750" shooter right out of the box Savage is the way to go. Their heavy barreled LE model 10s (10FP, 10FCP, 10FCP-K, 10FCP McMillan) are very reasonably priced and finding one that won't shoot close to 1/2 MOA with tailored handloads right out of the box would be rare. I bought an 10FCP-K after a ton of the aforementioned research and I would buy it again in a heartbeat over anything else. You can buy a Savage 10FCP and throw a Bushnell 3200 10x on it and you are totally set. Buy a mountain of ammo and practice with a good long range shooter watching over your shoulder.

    * If you don't want a heavy barreled tactical weapon for long range hunting (I use my long range rig for hog and deer), the most awesome sporter I've ever seen is the Thompson/Center Venture. They cut their own 5R rifled barrels in house and man they sure can shoot. Smooth action, too. Me likee. I saw a guy take one out of the box at the range and shoot sub MOA with cheap Wally World Federal PowerShoks. Quite impressive. They are said to be very, very reliable, too. All this for around $500 last time I checked.

    On the hardware, your mileage may vary, of course.

    To get serious about long range hunting check out any long range tactical shooting videos and books and hit the web for info and videos by Darrell Holland. He's da man when it comes to long range hunting.
     
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  10. spook22

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    keep them coming. also how would you guys compare a savage to remington 700 so far as accuracy?
     
  11. USSR

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    What is it about the above that you don't understand?

    Don
     
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    Truer words have'nt been spoken... I totally agree with Don on this. To throw out a blanket statement that one brand is more accurate out of the box than another is dumb.
     
  13. Snakum

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    Well, again, based on everything I discovered when researching it's a 'six of one and half dozen of another' kind of thing. Flip a coin. You can buy a good or bad anything from any manufacturer.

    Savage bolt guns have always had the reputation of being very accurate right out of the box and very reliable. I'm sure Savage has laid an egg or three. Just because I've never seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. But they are generally considered one of the most accurate and reliable rifles available for the money. However, they are also considered ugly (barrel nut, lines, etc.), have flimsy stocks (not true of the LE series so much, tho), and don't have the aftermarket support that Remington does.

    Remington 700s are also generally very accurate and reliable, but some folks have gotten merely average accuracy (1 to 2 MOA) from the 700 tactical and varmint series at a time when $500 Weatherbys, TC Ventures, and Savage LEs are sub MOA out of the box. Remington has taken a hit on quality lately, and I have been stung myself a few times. But as near as I can tell they are getting better. I think they are going to get the quality sorted out. My last 7600 was flawless. And Remington has that tremendous aftermarket support so however your 700 SPS shoots you can turn it into a sub .500" rifle eventually.

    You can put together a decent long range weapon system for under a grand if you shop smart and learn how to do a little work yourself (floating barrel channels, bedding actions, etc.). I've seen $1000 rifles holding their own in competition right beside the guy with the TRG-22. And I've seen guys with custom APA/Badger or GAP rifles who didn't seem to know which end the bullet came out of. It's the Indian ... not the arrow.
     
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    When I think prodcution rifle accuracy certain names come to mind.

    In the 1000 dollar price range however I'd consider CZ, Savage, Tikka & Weatherby.


    "Individual rifles are accurate or not so much so, not a particular make or model as a whole." - Very True.
     
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    I have several .308's and all with decent scopes cost me less than $1,000. I have a Ruger 77, Winchester 70, a Savage 112 and a Remington 700. Of these, the Remington 700 with Nikon scope shoots the best for me. More info about this gun at the following link: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6775373#post6775373
     
  16. Boberama

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    Maybe something from Surgeon rifles?
    Patriot Arms?
    Robar?
    Ed Brown?

    I'm assuming you want a bolt rifle.

    The DSR-1 is claimed to produce sub-0.2 MOA groups.
     
  17. MrOldLude

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    Personally, to compliment my AR, I'm thinking about a Savage-Steven's 200 in .223. The gun itself is a little over $300, but is pillar-bedded, savage 110 actioned, and savage barreled. The only particularly desirable item (to me) I lose by going Stevens is the AccuTrigger.

    Everything I've come across is they'll usually do below MOA out of the box. They're also sold in .308
     
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    for under 1k, Savage 10fcp in the hsprecision stock. With handloads it will CONSISTENTLY shoot into 1 minute and better. I haven't done any tinkering with it and it shoots as good as I can expect it to.

    Also have very good experience with a rem sps in 223. I had to do some minor changes with it, but after about 100 dollars and some time, it is a total tac driver.
     
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    Well, I'll be a renegade here and mention the Marlin XL and XS series rifles.

    These have features on rifles costing twice as much. Reviews are excellent and you can go on several forums and see nickel and quarter size groups from a rifle right out of the box. No bedding, no accurizing, and many shoot MOA or subMOA in the hands of a good shooter.

    It too has an adjustable trigger. Marlin sells them with synthetic and wood stocks.

    Uses any scope mounts that fit a Remington 700
     
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    most accurate I have seen was a friends M-700 heavy barrel. I have personally witnessed my friend shoot a .177 (5) shot group and several sub-1/4 inch groups.

    Second to that is the same friend's Savage which stalls out at about 1/5 inch 5 shot groups...

    What is the difference, it was necessary to turn the barrel back, rechamber, recrown, float the barrel, and square the locking lugs on the Remington to shrink the groups form the initial 3 inch groups (same shooter, scope, rings, mounts, and scope.)

    The Savage was right out of the box.
     
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    USSR, this may be partially true but some makes and models do have far more complaints than others. Do you expect me to go and buy any old rifle i find without some input upon the average accuracy i can expect?
     
  22. USSR

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    spook,

    For a target rifle, plan on paying a smith to have it bedded and the trigger worked on. Having a rifle for which aftermarket match-grade parts are available is a plus. The problem with going with accuracy averages on the net is, a lot of them involve "internet" groups, that in many cases have no basis in reality. Go to a local rifle match and see what the competitors are using and what degree of accuracy can be expected.

    Don
     
  23. Uncle Mike

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    Get yourself a Savage and be happy, these rifles have been the most consistently accurate rifles as of late, the last several years, for a factory, mass produced rifle.

    Truth is, they ALL shoot around the same level of accuracy, the trick is to find the rifle, and or manufacture that is producing rifles that are shooting well 'right now', when you are looking to buy one.
     
  24. JDGray

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    Very pleased with my Savage 10FP 20" .308! holds .5 moa for me out to 300yrds, with tailored handloads. No reason a Remmy .308 couldn't do it too....My LTR .223 holds .5 moa with handloads, too!

    Happy pickins:D
     
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    Savage's are amazing guns, but if you want to branch out and look at something different, check out the CZ 550. I just picked one up in .308 and it is slick. I haven't put any glass on mine yet, but the one that I have shot was a completely stock clover-group shooter.

    While I love the Accutrigger, the CZ set trigger is SWEET (and the un-set trigger on mine is about average for it's price range). It breaks at about 3/4 of a pound out of the box. It's a different machine for sure, but very awesome.

    I think Savage and CZ bolt actions are about the best bang for your buck these days. However, if I was going out right now to buy a new current production bolt action, it'd be the a new FNchester 70.
     
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