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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by winfried, Nov 8, 2012.

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  1. Certaindeaf

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    I was referring to a search leading one to Gaston.
     
  2. Guillermo

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    sounds like a translation issue
     
  3. Skribs

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    Ah, this appears to be what Glock is saying about other pistols, not his. That other pistols are difficult to use because of excessive controls.

    I had thought this was all trying to describe one pistol.
     
  4. winfried

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    I do not see it as glock bashing, I have posted unaltered extracts from 1988 US Patent 4.825.744
    I have on record 90 total failures of Glock pistols. Some of them resulted in injuries to hands.

    I have blown up a high power, other than grips coming off and all magazine parts blown out the bottom nothing else happened.

    For the record, a barrel having a yield strength of only60kg/mm^2 and a chamber wall of 3mm would need about 10500 bar (about three times max pressure of a rifle cartridge) to split the chamber, but such pressure is neigh impossible with a small capacity 9mm shell.
    That is why all split chambers are not just the result of overloads, but of the hardening process which Glock claims to have pioneered. Nitrite hardening known under various names was developed to prevent burning valves of high-performance engines. The process makes steel hard and the hardness depends on the exact method, but unlike the hardening and tempering process of carbon steel it is not possible to have full control over the desired hardness.
    From an engineering point, Glocks have many faults, but few people are engineers.

    Regards

    WAH
     
  5. Sam1911

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    Ninety? Wow, that's a lot. Well, on the other hand, Glock (well, all Austrian handgun manufacturers together, so take out a few hundred Steyrs from these numbers) exported over 400,000 handguns to the US in 2010, and over 500,000 in 2011, and has been sending us some large number like that each year for about the last 20 years. (The wiki, however ONLY suggests production numbers totaling 2,500,000 -- whichever.)

    Now I have to assume there are more than 90 of those millions that have failed due to some defect in the gun itself (rather than due to operator or ammunition errors which would have damaged any other gun equally or worse).

    Still... 90 vs. some number of MILLIONS?

    So, in other words, if you bought yourself 28 THOUSAND Glocks, you could reasonably expect ONE of them would fail due to a manufacturing defect? You could shoot a new Glock every day of an average person's lifespan before you found the bad one.

    From a statistical standpoint, Glocks seem to be doing ok. But few people are statisticians. ;)
     
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    Here is what I referred to as bashing.

    That is snotty, mean spirited Glock bashing. You even admit to being snotty.

    The other part, the quotes from the patent, was what I meant by an original approach.

    And then you toss in this:

    Really? How many Glocks have been sold? Statistics are had to come by, but some estimates say a million in the US alone. (Sam's post has better numbers--it hit while I was composing this one.) And you can document 90 failures?

    To make a comparison, the Honda Accord has frequently made the most-often-stolen cars list, leading some folks to think there was sort of security flaw in the vehicle. Truth is simpler--thieves are opportunists, and Accords are so numerous that when a thief finds an easy mark, it is naturally going to be an Accord fairly often.

    It's the same with Glock pistols. There are a lot of them, so when a pistol fails, it has a better than average chance of being a Glock even if every make fails at the same rate. It's impossible to make failure statistics meaningful without taking that into account.

    So your post seems to have been made with just one purpose, really. A clever approach at first, but in the end it was simple Glock bashing. No way around it.

    I don't personally care. I own a Glock that has had about 1,000 rounds through it and has had one FTE (with lead handloads in an aftermarket barrel) and has never blown up. I like it and I trust it. My feelings are not hurt. I just think you should be up front with us. When you get called out as a Glock basher, don't try to hide; admit it.
     
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    The original post seems like a witch hunt for a problem to me. The manual of arms for any modern pistol is fairly simple and easily accomplished safely. Accidents are very rarely known to be the fault of the pistol design. If you can drive a car and stop it suddenly to avoid an accident without running off the road or stalling the engine of a manual transmission then you can operate a pistol.

    People operate jet fighter aircraft at high speed while locked in deadly combat while stressing their bodies to the limit and they manage. Operating silly handgun is supposed to be some kind of huge challenge?

    I mean, really? Come one!

    Practice what you need to practice and get on with it.
     
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    That's what I thought also. It is the most comfortable gun to hold and point (well, out of all the ones I have tried). Pity the trigger is so crap though, when you actually fire it.
    Having said that, I carried one IWB for more than 5 years in Johannesburg. It was very nice to carry, very comfortable indeed...
     
  9. Owen

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    I would say that verbage is pretty typical for patents. And Gaston would not have written the patent, a lawyer would have. One of the things patents do is shotgun a large number of innovation claims, to give the originator something to work with in court.
     
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    OMG, with all due respect!

    This is the actual abstract of US Patent 4,825,744 issued on 5/2/1989 and filed on 8/2/1988 (SN: 227,514) - http://www.google.com/patents?id=PV88AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&zoom=4&output=text

    If you actually read the patent abstract, what OP posted is what Gaston Glock described in "BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION" that were problems with "AUTOMATIC PISTOL" that his new invention would address
    The blue highlights represent the new inventions that address the problems OP posted (my comments in parenthesis/bold blue letters) and refer to corresponding diagrams:
    These are strikers from my G22/G27. Instead of traditional round firing pins that takes on the entire shock of primer cup/powder ignition, triangular lance shaped narrow Glock striker tips have box shaped body that bumps the back of the breach wall under spring tension to buffer against shock of primer cup/powder ignition, limiting the striker tip travel against the primer cup - it is for this reason why spent cases from Glocks have distinct rectangle indentations on the spent primer cups which are from rectangle slots on the breach wall. (FYI, carbon fouling build up can hard pack under the rectangle face of the striker body behind the breach wall - if/when this occurs, especially from dirty loads, striker tip travel past the breach wall can be limited and result in lighter primer cup indentations/failure to ignite. Cleaning/scraping the back of breach wall of hard packed fouling build up with precision flat screwdriver and cleaning with gun solvent will return proper striker tip travel to indent the primer cup deep enough to ignite).

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  11. barnbwt

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    That last paragraph is the important one, BTW ;)

    TCB
     
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