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Most annoying aspect of New Jersey's (or your state's) gun laws

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  1. bushmaster1313

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    Other than a ban on the right to bear arms (which is far more than annoying), what is the most annoying aspect to you of New Jersey's gun laws. Residents of other states can contribute as well.

    For me, it is the hassle I would have if I tried to ship a handgun to an FFL if I was able to sell it on an online auction.

    As far as I can tell, the only legal avenue is to bring the handgun directly from my home to an FFL so that the FFL can then ship it, at a very high fee, borne by me of course, to the FFL who will transfer it to the buyer.
     
  2. Bonesinium

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    The transportation laws. Want to go the the range after work? Well you have to go home first. Want to do some shopping after shooting at the range? Sorry, you have to drop your firearms off at home first.

    The purchasing laws.Want to buy ammo some .22lr to go plinking with? Sorry, you need an FPID for that.

    More purchasing laws. Want to get an FPID? Did you fill out all the forms, including the illegal ones? Have you gone to the outside agency to get your fingerprints taken? Have your references filled out their forms and returned them to the PD yet? Ok good, right? Oh, your PD doesn't follow the law, so you are going to have to wait an unknown amount of time, just because.

    Semi-auto firearm laws. Oh hey, can that rifle hold a bayonet? It can? AND it has an evil stock that can be adjusted for comfort? Sorry bro, going to have to keep that outside of NJ.

    I could go on. But I am not sure what NJ laws aren't annoying and ridiculous.
     
  3. Twiki357

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    My sincerest sympathy to all you NJ residents from the "Brady rated "Zero" state of Arizona.

    About the only negative here are the "gun free zone" signs.
     
  4. mortablunt

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    I'm currently in Maryland, so I'll moan about them

    #1: I can't carry a weapon on campus.
    #2: I can't carry a weapon anywhere, especially campus.
     
  5. NMPOPS

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    I visit nj occasionally and their no hollowpoint law really bugs me.

    Sent from my Ally
     
  6. parsimonious_instead

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    Because NY State wants "handgun registration" you need to buy the firearm first, then pick up a form to take to the local county clerk. You submit the form, plus a fee, and at least in Westchester, you wait up to six weeks or so until one of the county judges "approves" the amendment, and you get back a brand new pistol permit (permit to own handguns and take them to and from the range or a hunting ground, either concealed about the person, or locked in a transport box), with the new gun, complete with make, model and serial number, added to the permit.
    It's very frustrating to buy something so expensive and fun, and then wait several weeks to be able to use it.
    I hear that most other counties throughout NYS actually do this whole thing much faster, but it's still a royal pain, and it will probably get worse since the new Attorney General Schneiderman is really anti-gun, as is the new Governor, Andrew Cuomo.
     
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    Gun free zones that if violated can cause a misdemeanor and loss of license.

    It would be nicer, if discovered, a simple, "please leave" and if you don't, then face a trespassing charge.

    Under those circumstances, if you didn't leave, you deserve what you get.
     
  8. bushmaster1313

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    How about if you have to go to the rest room on the way to or from the range?

    What if you want to go to the Dicks and buy some ammo on the way to the range?
     
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    N.J. has crazy laws. Ohio-not to bad. But it's the fact that you have to have a license and do paperwork work to get a license if you are a law abiding citizen
     
  10. Ranger30-06

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    Those are both illegal to do! You would have to go to Dicks and buy your ammo, go back to your house and get your guns, then head to the range. In some ways, this state is worse than California.

    Example: Ar-15 stripped lowers. Technically by state laws, a stripped lower counts as a handgun, unless a stock is added. Since it is impossible to make a Jersey legal AR-15 pistol, no one will stock the AR-15 stripped lowers. You have to either order an assembled lower, or bring a stock for the gun store to install at the time of purchase.

    Want to CC a handgun? Go ahead and apply! But you'll get denied really quickly, then if you ever want to go to get a carry permit in another state, you have to put down that you were denied a CC permit. :banghead:


    I'm outa here the second a better job in PA shows up...
     
  11. kk0g

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    What's the most annoying aspect of my state's gun laws? - they exist.
     
  12. P5 Guy

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    Florida, The GunShine State according to the Brady Bunch, has state wide pre-emption. Except there are various locals that ignored this up until now. We shall see how that works now that the law has teeth, punishment for scoffing.
     
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    There is still a three-day waiting period in FL for handguns if you do not have a CCW
     
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    Went through this whole process here in Westchester County, NY. Being so close to the NYC is the problem. I had to wait 6months for initial pistol permit after buying pistol and submitting the paperwork. BUT New Jersey sounds worse.. smdh
     
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    all anti gun laws bug me,in any state

    Thats why i only own antique firearms............ahhh simpler times...........pre 1899 rules, in many states they are not even considered firearms......for owning or even carry,and they increase in value daily. :neener: BLACK POWder!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Mandatory "prompt" notification that you're carrying concealed with an Ohio CHL. It's an open invitation to abuse by police and I know of at least two cases where it was egregiously abused.

    Thanks to Officer Daniel Harless of the Canton PD, it's probably going away.
     
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    The fact that nobody agrees on weather we can legally carry in a place that serves alcohol or not, the ability of a local sheriff to add restrictions to a carry license complicates this problem.
     
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    Chris Christie, hailed as the savior of the republican party by many, thinks the oppressive gun laws in NJ are "responsible" and "reasonable"....... : rolleyes:
     
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    I have heard that those are not enforceable in court, but I don't have anything to back that up with.

    What still bothers me is that AL is a "may issue". State law has no minimum age to CCW (so it defaults to 18, min age of possession) and several counties issue permits to 18 year olds, but my county Sheriff will not. They are apparently ignoring a previous court case by refusing to issue as well. It also bugs me that I legally can't carry in AL on my other non-res permits because of one clause at the end of the reciprocity statute that says AL residents need an AL permit. (Though every police officer I've talked to, as well as the Sheriff's permit investigator himself, tells me that I can carry on those permits... just shows that you shouldn't rely on LEOs for legal advice.) Thankfully I only have one month until my 21st. Just enough time to set up a NFA trust for my first suppressor :cool:
     
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    The handgun purchase 72 hour waiting period, and the 24 hour waiting period for long guns.

    Very annoying.
     
  21. Midwest

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    Gun control in NJ dates back years and decades and even generations

    1924 is when they started requiring a 'justifiable need' for carry permits.

    1966 is when the FID Firearms ID scheme came in being (two years before 1968 GCA)

    1981 Graves Act and modified along the way, if caught with a handgun ...(and remember that a BB Pistol is the same legal category as a handgun). Without a permit can lead to a three year jail term. (A lot of NJ gun attorneys on the web all mentioning this)


    BB Gun is considered a firearm in NJ. BB Gun pistols need a pistol permit to purchase and is considered a handgun. Same for Black powder pistols. I can't find exact documentation what year this happened which lumped BB Guns and Black Powder guns into the firearms category. But I think it might have been in the 1960's...maybe 1966 when the FID scheme came into play. Slingshot is also banned. A famous gun attorney says do not apply for a Curio & Relics 03 license in NJ. However 1/2 oz Pepper spray OK if over 18 with no criminal record.

    I made some observations between NY State's Gun control laws and New Jersey's.

    If you moved from another state into NJ You can bring in handguns and rifles, shotguns (not on the banned list) without registering them. If you want to buy a pistol in NJ, you need a permit for each one. If you want to buy a rifle, or shotgun in NJ, you need the FID card. Carry Permit impossible to get unless you are connected or armed guard.



    If you moved from another state into NY State (not NYC) . You can bring in rifles or shotgun without registering them. You can buy a rifle or a shotgun in NY State (not NYC) without a permit.

    You cannot bring in any handguns without first getting a 'pistol permit' and having each pistol added to the permit. Some have claimed that there is a limit of five pistols per person allowed in NY State. A 'pistol permit' can also serve as a carry permit, and unlike NJ...in some counties of NY, they allow unrestricted carry in some areas of the State.
     
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    Unlawful to carry while riding a snowmobile, this includes carry permit holders. Suggested by Fish and Wildlife so as to reduce poaching. I took the time to get my carry permit, time to practice, spent $10,000 on a snowmobile, $2,500 on a trailer, purchased all the required licenses and decals, registered the machine etc. just so I can go poach deer off the groomed snowmobile trails. I just don't get this one.
     
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    I must admit South Carolina is an extremely gun friendly state. Only law that bothers me is no guns are allowed in an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premise. So any time I want to take my family out to eat, I have to disarm myself.
     
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    Group steriotyping.

    The general problem with state gun laws is that they treat everyone with a gun as a the worst case potential violent criminal BEFORE THE FACT.
     
  25. Carter

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    NC is annoying about prohibited places.

    Places that charge admission, places that serve alcohol, places that have a sign of any kind no matter how small or vague, public assemblies, funerals, banks (until december!), parks...its rather annoying.
     
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