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Most dead-reliable .223 assault rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dodging230grainers, Jul 25, 2007.

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  1. dodging230grainers

    dodging230grainers Member

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    Just like the title says.... and are the Arsenal AK's chambered in .223 as reliable as a regular AK? Will they take most any ammo (even wolf?)

    thanks.
     
  2. doubleg

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    I do not think you will have reliability issues with any modern 223 design unless you plan on being lost in a Panamanian Rain Forest with out a cleaning kit.
     
  3. jlbraun

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    They are dead reliable and will eat Wolf all day long with no problem.
     
  4. Andrewsky

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    I journeyed to world.guns.ru in search of the ultimate answer to this question...

    And I decided there's really know way to know without extensive side by side testing.

    You could easily trust an L85A2, FAMAS, M16/M4, G36, AUG, etc. but I have a hunch that an AK-101 fed with brass would be the best.
     
  5. Dan Forrester

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    I don’t think a .223 AK could ever be as reliable as a 7.62X39 AK due to the shape of the cartridge.

    Look at a 7.62X39 round. Its shaped like a cone. Much easier to fit into a dirty chamber than the .223 with its cylindrical shaped body and pointy little end.

    Dan
     
  6. brentn

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    He's asking for a gun that is available, not un-available like the G36, styer aug etc. Can you even buy a FAMAS semi auto?
     
  7. mpmarty

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    My Saiga 223 is absolutely reliable just like every AK rifle I own. Unfortunately it is much more expensive to shoot than my Arsenal AK74 in 5.45x39 which is slightly more accurate. Arsenal and Saiga are the only AKs that are actually quality made in factories turning out the "real thing" on the same assembly lines from brand new high quality parts. Saiga made in Russia and Arsenal in Bulgaria I beleive. The rest of them vary from utter junk to nearly as good.
     
  8. Gewehr98

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    What's an assault rifle?

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    Don't forget the mini14 all I have used have been boring in there reliabilty. I do love the AK platform. I just feel it is better in the 7.62x39 & 5.45x39
     
  10. HorseSoldier

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    My unit arms room has some .mil Bulgarian AKs in 5.56mm (milled receivers, underfolders) and I've tried feeding them a solid diet of solid junk ammo (stuff policed up at the end of a day of shooting M4s and such on the range -- dirty, dusty ammo, possibly slightly dinged up as well). I have never had any FTF/FTE issues with them except when the 5.56mm case was dinged up and out of spec and consequently would not chamber. Based on that, I think I'd be comfortable with the reliability of an Arsenal 5.56mm rifle.
     
  11. Andrewsky

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    Brentn, he specified "assault rifle." Not semi-automatic rifle. Therefore FAMAS, AUG et. al. are fair game.
     
  12. Will Learn

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    A reliable .223 "assault rifle" that first came to mind when reading this thread is the gas piston AR. I haven't had any personal experience with one but it would seem to be the best of both worlds; a accurate platform originally built around the .223 but modified to use the Gas-piston system. You won't find any AKs in my safe other than 7.62x39(maybe a 5.45 later down the road). If I had the money it would go to a gas piston upper.
     
  13. MJ

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    I have my own opinion

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    As much as I respect the AKs, I would say that a stainless Mini-14 is a top choice. It also has many other advantages over and AK or AR - being legal whether others are forbidden, or weight and non-threatening appearance and more compact size, especially with stock removed - which takes a few seconds.

    miko
     
  16. W.E.G.

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    Any good AR-type, provided that it has been well-tested, and the operator is aware of any disagreeable types of ammo. Typically, the chrome-bore models with a generous chamber are the least ammo-sensitive.

    There are other highly reliable designs. But the rarity of some designs, and the scarcity of sources for replacement magazines makes me award second-place to all other models.

    As long as box-fed semi-autos are legal you will be able to find magazines for AR-type rifles.
     
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    All the good an AK has to offer, while tweaking it's faults and optimizing it for 5.56 nato. I was lucky enough to shoot my cousin's (non assault weapon version), about 1500 wolf rounds with 0 problems of any kind, field strips easier than an AK, and fairly light and accurate, what more can you ask for


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  18. MudPuppy

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    How is a Galil any easier to strip than any other AK? The gas tube doesn't require the lever to be moved (similiar to the Tantal in this respect), but that's all I can think of.

    I'd agree that theoritically the 223 would be .0000026% less reliable due to the case shape/taper and have heard that mentioned--but they seem very reliable indeed. Galil is a fine choice for sure.

    The gas piston ARs still would seem to suffer from the tiny, delicate extractor that can't stand up to more than a half dozen steel cased rounds (to hear some tell it, anyway) and the multiple dainty lugs don't inspire a lot of confidence in those that appreciate the dual honkin' lugs of an AK.

    I can't think of any other 223 that would surpass the Arsenal--some would quite likely equal it, perhaps.
     
  19. Deer Hunter

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    My Saiga .223 AK has been dead-nuts reliable with steel cased wolf.
     
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    I don't think there's much difference in size between the AL 223 extractor and the AR. I do know the AR extractor is strong enough to rip the rim off steel case ammo, as that happened to me recently.

    I expect that the AK design is more reliable if for no other reason than the superior primary extraction. The Galil is really nothing more than an AK, via Valmet (the first Galil recivers were made by Valmet) so I don't expect much difference.

    I am currently considering a 5.56 AK myself, although the Galil looks interesting. I'm just not sure about the cost and availability of Galil mags.

    ERuger Mini-14s are notoriously inaccurate - so much so that Ruger has finally relased a target version that costs a bundle. The lack of aftermarket parts is troubling for me, as is the availability of hi cap magazines.

    The Ruger certainly is California friendly, but then so is the keltec SU-16, which uses M16 magazines, and an AK gass system.

    YMMV
     
  21. LiquidTension

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    I had a Norinco 84S underfolder that was 100% reliable. Then again, my S&W M&P 15 has been 100% as well.
     
  22. Jenrick

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    AK style gas system on an AR platform with stupidly simple/strudy construction. You could honestly make one of these in a high school metal shop w/o any real trouble. Take down and cleaning is right in line with the rest of it.

    -Jenrick
     
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    Gewehr98,

    It's what I do when I miss the 10 ring. :)
     
  24. MudPuppy

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    Guntech, the Galil mags are probably cheaper than 223 AK mags--you can find orlites for $20 or less. Metal ones are more, $30ish, I got a 50 rounder for $40 last weekend at the gunshow.

    I love the Yugo M95, but those are underfolders...feh (I built mine as a fixed stock--well, two more kits that'll likely be underfolders). I don't have an IMI, just a recent century--but am very happy with it (milled recievers make the air more enjoyable to breath, sunny days nicer, pretty girls prettier...ahhh).
     
  25. Dave R

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    I haven't shot an Arsenal AK, but my Romanian SAR-3 has not misfed since the first month I had it (when I was debugging some converted bakelite mags for it.) And that was more than a few years ago.

    The Arsenal AK's have a reputation for being better than Romanians.

    So yeah, I think an Arsenal .223 AK would be about as reliable a semi-auto as you are likely to find anywhere.
     
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