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Most Likely SHTF Scenario and Your Payload?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HMMurdock, Aug 13, 2006.

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  1. HMMurdock

    HMMurdock Member

    May 5, 2006
    Indiana, the home of John Dillinger
    This is just a generic hypothetical. Just for fun.

    I apologize to anyone it may insult and I also apologize for this being a huge waste of time :uhoh:

    What do you think the most likely SHTF scenario is?

    Nuclear Holocaust? Massive EMP detonation? Resident Evil-like virus wipes out mankind? Invasion from a foreign country? Our economy slides so far south everyone goes crazy and we are forced to defend ourselves after we become a 3rd world nation? What? Get creative. Think like a fiction writer, people! ...or a Survivalist. You know the type...

    And now the fun part-- when this happens, what firearms would you trust the most? That trusty AR-15 that you can't find replacement parts for? Your grandfather's revolver? Glocks? --Pick one rifle, one shotgun, and one handgun... and one more alternate handgun, rifle, or shotty just for fun. Thats 4 firearms, Gomer Pyle...

    Anyone wanna take a bite?

    Most likely Scenario: I'm going with the economy one just because I don't know-- that's why I posted it to begin with!

    Mine is as follows:
    Rifle: Springfield M1A .308
    Shotgun: Remington 870 Marine Magnum 12ga.
    Handgun: Kimber Gold Match 1911 .45
    Alternate: Colt Python 4" .357 Magnum

    The M1A .308 because its reliable I can also hunt for food with it, the 870 Marine because of durabily and reliability. I'd set it up for close quarters room clearing since the M1A would be too long, and the Gold Match 1911 because I know what I'm doing with it and its accurate as hell. The Python would be my alternate because I could also hunt with it as well as defend myself, plus its reliable. And handguns are easier to tote around when I've already got a big M1A and shotgun on me...

  2. Travis McGee

    Travis McGee Member

    Jan 12, 2003
    NE Florida
    Anything in the primary milsurp calibers would be my first choice.

    I think living in a survivable location (remote, food water etc) will be more important to survival than living near a city loaded out like Rambo.
  3. another okie

    another okie Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    National and personal debt continue to rise.
    Cut off or huge increase in the price of foreign oil lead to inflation, which wipes out savings.
    Crime goes out of control, system continues to function but doesn't do much.

    It's sort of the late 1970s except more so.

    Load out: Glock 17 on the person for unexpected attacks by groups.
    AR-15 ready when traveling.
    Shotgun by the bed at night and the front door during the day.
    Not that different that what my load out is now.
  4. SnakeEater

    SnakeEater Member

    Jan 12, 2004
    Central Ohio
    I'm in agreement that the economy, combined with a drastic fossil fuel crisis, will be our undoing.

    Rifle: PTR-91, the creme de le crem of SHTF rifles:evil:
    Shotgun: Remington 870 Marine Magnum 12ga.
    Handgun: Springfield XD 45 Tactical
    Alternate: 20" AR-15 with ACOG

    My main reason for the AR-15 is ammo resupply. I figure a lot of policemen and "Tacticool" people will be DOA and I'll snag their ammo. It's also much handier than a MBR for my wife, who will also be carrying a G17.
  5. trickyasafox

    trickyasafox Member

    Dec 22, 2004
    upstate NY go to school in WNY
    primary load out:
    870 express

    m59/66 yugo
    can't imagine needing to replace the 870 :)

    shtf scenerio: zombie alien invasion.
  6. gbell

    gbell Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Total collapse of the economy

    First off I will be going as fast as i can to get to or weekend home away from everyone!
    I would say-
    Handgun- G21 (stopping power plus capacity)
    Rifle- Colt AR15 A3 (widely available ammo, accurate, capacity)
    Shotgun- 870P (reliability and hunting afterwards)

    Handgun- 70 series Colt Government Model (reliability and stopping power) or Sig Saur p220 or
    G26 (common ammo and HIGH capacity)
    Rifle- T/C Encore .308 (powerful, accurate, and hunting afterwards) or M1 Garand (relaibiltyand power)
    Shotgun- Beretta 1201fp (fast and fun (I know :rolleyes: ))or
    Rem 11-87 (reliability)

    But if it really happened the answer would be as many guns and as much ammo as i can get in my truck.
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    MAURICE Member

    May 22, 2003
    Lincoln, AR
    I probably would not carry 4 weapons. Too much to handle if and when you are on foot. My sig or a glock on hip, plus either my AR or 870HD. Depends on what happens when and where.

    When I hear SHTF I think about having to move. Terrorist attack or what not is a very fast and violent act. Not ongoing-the after affects, yes, the attack itself is not. After it happens being armed will do no good. Post incident survival is more important.
    Now, widespread attacks or invasions or an event that throws the country back into the stoneage (a la LightsOut) is a completely different story.
  8. sacp81170a

    sacp81170a Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Farmington, AR
    Daily load out:

    SIG 226R in .40 cal. (duty sidearm)
    Mossberg 590A with tac sling (duty shotgun)
    AR15 HBAR with telescoping stock and single point sling (duty rifle)
    SA M1A w/ARMS 18 mount and Leupold 4x scope (precision rifle)
    S&W Model 640 BUG

    These are part of the duty gear I carry in case there's a call out at the PD. I carry spare mags and ammo for each, along with a 72 hour kit. The most likely scenario would be economic collapse and civil unrest. We have plans in place to rotate shifts protecting hospitals and medical facilities in town in case of mass shutdown of utilities and whatnot. I also have a plan for my wife to stay with friends, or more likely, for those friends to come stay with her because we are better armed and supplied. Car pool plans are also in place should fuel costs continue to rise.

    I don't know about the rest of you guys on this board, but it's beginning to feel like we're already in a slow-motion SHTF scenario in this country, with occasional localized crises. :uhoh:

    I'm working to get completely out of debt ASAP while continuing to maintain a state of readiness vis a vis supplies, financial resources and strategic plans. Is it just me? :confused:
  9. evan price

    evan price Member

    Dec 7, 2005
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    Payload: S-4 rocket, 3 MIRV's, TN-35 warheads, probable yield in the 20kT range.
  10. The Guy

    The Guy Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    People's Democratic Republic of Illinois
    M1a, Leupold 4x10, 50mm objective. For when I need to reach out and touch somebody. Can still use the open sights for work out to 500 yards if nessisary. My main battle rifle.

    Trade ya a shoty for another rifle. Robinson XCR in .223 AND 7.62x39. Same rifle, 2 calibers, for close encounter work, or for a freind, as buddy system will help keep me alive. Would be "tacticool" tricked out (you know, mall ninja stuff).

    Ruger 10-22, or other semi-auto .22 lr for hunting small game, varmit controll (big-n-small types, shot placement, shot placement, shot placement!)

    And our final winner, a .45 acp GLOCK:eek: . Yes, I LOVE 1911's, but...Never have problems with my Glocks. I can go happily either way on this one though, so no flame jobs please!:neener:

    In the coming Zombie war (or what ever your own SHTF senario is), the main survival tactic is not living near pop centers, having a solid, hidden, solar powered, and defenseable base is numero uno. How anyone expects to make it out of said population centers are beyond me.

    Also, I would rather have 1 rifle and 3 armed buddies/family members than 4 firearms. I can only shoot one at a time with any sort of chance of hitting someone, but if there were 4 of us, that is one heck of alot more bullets going at the baddies, whom ever they may be!
  11. Geno
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    Geno Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Sad to say you may not be so far off

    I'm not so convinced that your post is paranoia. In fact, it certainly passes through my mind (probably from seeing it on CNN, Fox, etc) not entirely infrequently. I literally hope and pray it never comes to that, but the obvious fact is, we (collectively) have enemies around the world who would LOVE to push us there.

  12. MrTwigg

    MrTwigg Member

    Jan 6, 2006
    Live in rural area, ain't buggin out

    We're buggin in. Everybody talks about buggin out, but how many have given any thought to how & where ?

    I have relatives on both sides of my house and we're backed up to 11 acres with a pond. Everybody's armed, including Grandpa & the kid.

    Keep moving.:)
  13. 1911JMB

    1911JMB Member

    Apr 11, 2005
    The only SHTF scenerio I can reasonably see happening is a home invasion, and that is why my 870 is loaded and nearby. Not that I wouldn't be ready for some paranoid scenerio away from home, I do have a SKS in my trunk, and 2 seriously good respirators since I am an asbestos remover, the thing is I just don't see that type of shtf thing happening.
  14. FilJos

    FilJos Member

    Oct 28, 2004
    Reul Tuath
    Well, sour economy is the most likely scenario.

    Should the need arise to bug out quickly, I have a main plan and several back-up plans for HOW and WHERE to bug out.

    My firearms would be the only ones I have anymore-

    Arm the wife with her choice of Glock 30 or Kahr PM40 (She likes the Glock, but the Kahr DOES fit her hand better.) I'll take whatever she doesn't want.

    Police model 870 and two Ishapore SMLE's in .308 with all the spare ammo I can lug go in the jeep with the B.O.B.

    It would be nice to have a short-barreled shotgun for close work out of a vehicle, should the need arise. Maybe like one of those Serbu Shorty's with a load of heavy birdshot or light buckshot.
  15. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    Dec 22, 2002
    Kampong Cham, Cambodia
    I will be more Oldtimer thatn most and go with my Marlin leverguns and some S&W 357s
    S&W 65 4" and 13 3"
    marlin 1894C in 357 and 39 Mountie in 22lr.
  16. kahr404life

    kahr404life Member

    Sep 21, 2005
    North Carolina
    I think the oil states will put the squeeze on us (we are dirty infidels right) and our system will break down over time (gas, food, medicine, basic supply riots). I plan to bug in because I live in rural area. I have access to wood, game, gardens, water, and my stockpile:evil: . Many of my coworkers (law enforcement) talk about this type of scenerio. We all believe this could easily happen and if you live/stay in the city you are screwed. The city I work in has alot of gang and drug violence. What will the crackheads do if they can't get their fix with food being a second priority. The city is also home for a bunch of help me , the government will save us, and I have a right to social service types. Will they be prepared (I think not) or will they come after what you have (Help me I need my handout). The police will do what they can but New Orleans shows you how far that will go. If it gets bad enough do you think the police are going to hang around (forget our family's) and help without outside aid (no military no aid). If the whole country is in the same boat you had better be ready because you are on your own. 223, 308, 30/06, 30/30, .303, 7.62+39, 50 cal (black powder) .12, .20, 45, 40S&W, 9mm, .357, .38, .22lr, and Easton (compound bow) is spoken where I live at.:D
  17. Just_a_dude_with_a_gun

    Just_a_dude_with_a_gun Member

    Feb 14, 2006
    Peoples Republik of Neu Jersey
    One's 'bugging out payload' is more of a TEOTWAWKI matter.

    If your locality's sh!* has hit the fan, you'll probably not get to far before you reach an area that retains it normalcy, law & order. You'd look like a bit of a dolt stolling into town with your loadbearing gear, a pistol on your belt, a battle rifle, pushing a tactical wheelbarrow. That's IF you can get out.

    Being prepared to 'get gone' is something to think about, but I'm a little more realistic than that... A more likely situation is that I'll be holed up at home with canned food, jugged water, first aid, crank radio, batteries, lights, medication..... and naturally a few guns, and crap load of ammo. :)
  18. Ndenway

    Ndenway Member

    Aug 13, 2006
    me and my kids are heading to my parents place, they got a lot of land next to a lake with few people around,

    plus most of my supplies are already stored there and its only a 10 minute drive away, and is a lot easier to defend then my house.
  19. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Home Of The First Capitol Of The Confederate State
    Rifle: right now, a 16" barrel Colt M4A3 .223
    Shotgun: Remington 12 gague 870 Marine Magnum
    Handgun: Springfield XD- .45ACP 4" service model with a Streamlight TLR-1
  20. Calhoun

    Calhoun Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MOST likely SHTF? I hear my alarm system go off in the middle of the night.
    Load out: CZ-75B and Surefire.

    Don't think the FAL will do me much good between my bed and the door to the hall.
  21. Nathan Williams

    Nathan Williams member

    Aug 6, 2006
    Well I can see economic collapse, pushed bye fuel rationing. Think about this trucking is the backbone of our economy, and way of life. If the pumps dry out the trucks stop rolling and food, medical supplies, and other needfull things stop showing up at our stores. People stop going to work. Banks go belly up in a few weeks, everything you have in the bank on paper GONE :what: ! I would bug in bye retreating to my parents farm, most of my family is in that area and I think we could all make due just fine. As for guns the most important to have when you make it out of town is a good hunting rifle. So for my other weapon it would be the remington 700. The shotgun (which would also be useful for food) would be a 870 3 1/2" magnum, for people, I would be tempted to say G21, but for purposes of ammo availability my choice would be the G22 (all LEO's carry this around here). As for the rifle simple choice there a M4 carbine. You see what I did here with all 4 are in the 4 most common caliber/gauge. 308,223,40,12ga.
  22. MudPuppy

    MudPuppy Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    UK and Texas
    I think our worst case situation will be more like what Argentina is seeing, and we'll likely be sharing that fate with the world if it comes to that--that is, a global depression. If it degenerates further, it may be vaguely simliar to what happened in Yugoslavia.

    I have liked something in 308 for the reasons mentioned earlier, capable as a manstopper or a deer taker, but last season I saw 6 deer taken on the lease I hunt (two with a AR-15, one with an AK variant, one with a G3 type, and the final two with a bolt 30.06) and am open to a wider variety as legitimate dual purpose long guns.

    Better off having a good plan to acquire 'taters than 3k of ammo and an extra 40 pounds around the middle. :)
  23. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    0 hrs east of TN
    Guns, guns, guns. :banghead:

    Any of you guys loaded with 60 lbs of guns and ammo got an off shore bank account? First aid skills? Passport? Friends in other countries that would take in a refugee? Basic mechanic skills to keep the heap running? How 'bout off road driving skills? Got a pair of boots/shoes you could walk 10 miles in without a blister? 30 miles? Guns and ammo are not the only answer to the question and often aren't even most of the answer. http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=213548&highlight=lived
  24. MassMan

    MassMan Member

    Mar 20, 2005
    Most likely SHTF

    I agree that it is very likely the economy crashing due outrageous fuel prices could lead to a SHTF situation. I have the feeling if Iran gets the nuke, we will see a limited strike (terrorist attack) which will knock out our electrical system. Now we are in deep sh**.

    I envy those of you who live or have access to rural areas. I wish I had the financial means to purchase small place with a bunch of land in a rural area. Being in Massachusetts there is not a lot of rural area to be had and I cannot afford to purchase a "getaway" in VT., NH., or Maine. I guess I'll go down fighting! :-(
  25. Diomed

    Diomed Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Psssst, hso - this is a gun website, remember? ;)
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