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Most Reliable 1911 .45 ACP Pistol

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Killer Angel, Feb 21, 2004.

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  1. Killer Angel

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    What is the most reliable 1911 .45 ACP pistol out of the box?
    THANKS.

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  2. dsk

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    Probably Colt, but I still don't trust ANY new 1911's until I've had time to finish what the factory started. I'm talking about checking the extractor tension and making sure the bullet ramp is correctly profiled.
     
  3. Greg Bell

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    No comment:uhoh:
     
  4. denfoote

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    My only experience is with the springer, but it has been good!! :D
     
  5. RikWriter

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    Frankly, if you buy a good brand name factory gun, use good mags and good ammo, ANY of them should be reliable.
    Out of the over two dozen 1911s I've owned, I've NEVER had a factory-assembled gun that had significant reliability problems. I did have a Para Ordnance P12 once that wouldn't feed the old-style HydraShoks (before they made the bullet rounder) and I also had an old, old military-issue Colt that didn't like the 230-grain Cor-Bons, but they both fed all other HPs I fed them and never jammed on FMJ.
    All of the Kimbers I owned (five of them, all series one) fed everything I put through them, going well over 10,000 rounds in my Kimber Gold Match with no jams of any sort. I have yet to shoot a series two Kimber, so I don't know about them.
    I currently have two Colt Govt Model pistols, the older of which has yet to jam through around 1000 rounds, while the newer had several jams but only due to my ignorant use of American Ammunition, a mistake I will NEVER make again. It fed several different brands of JHPs with no jams, however. I've also owned Colt XS and XSE models and series 70 and 80 Gold Cups which fed just fine.
    I've also owned a couple Springfields that fed anything I gave them without complaint, though in general they weren't as accurate as the Colts or Kimbers.
    I've never owned a Wilson or a Baer or any of the really high-end, $1000+ guns so I can't speak to those.
    Don't listen to the Chicken-Littles who constantly whine about 1911s jamming. There is no reason to expect jams from a quality factory 1911 and if it DOES jam with quality ammo and good mags, send it back to the factory and make them fix it.
     
  6. RikWriter

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    If only...
     
  7. stans

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    All factories will turn out some lemons. If they turn out enough lemons, the get a real bad reputation and no one buys their guns and they go away. Colt, Springfield Armory, Dan Wesson, Smith & Wesson and Kimber all make good 1911's. Odds are in your favor that you will get a good one. I have read lots of reports of Kimbers firing pin safety system failing. S&W uses the identical system and they recalled all of theirs and replaced the parts. Kimber has never admitted to a problem.

    Auto Ordnance is a different story. The old Auto Ords frequently had problems, some so severe that they could not be easily fixed. Khar bought them a few years ago and the quality is supposedly improved, but I say buy at your own risk.

    Armscorp, Rock Island, and Charles Daly seem to be fairly well made, but rough around the edges. Most people like them and they usually work, at least with hardball ammo. I have read a few reports of guide rods and spring plugs failing. These are not expensive to replace.

    I did not mention Para Ordnance because they do not make traditional 1911's. They make high capacity guns in single action and LDA as well as single stacks only in LDA format. Most Para's are good, there again, the lemons do make it to the dealer just like all other manufacturers.

    So there you have it. My advice, look it over carefully before parting with the cash. A good warranty also helps, just in case it goes terribly wrong.
     
  8. Dobe

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    DSK,
    I don't trust ANY handgun, until I run a few boxes through it.

    My experience has been almost 100% reliability with the 6 Kimbers that I have and do own, one of which is a Series II. Others will report the same for their Colts, Springers, etc. I run some pretty funky ammo through some of my handguns, so I will never achieve 100% flawless operation.

    There is not a make or model that will not give you trouble. The 1911 suffers more bad history than some, because there are so many different manufacturers producing this handgun. The 1911 also receives more good press for the history it has achieved over its 100 years of existance, and deserves that press also. It truely is a good design. It just isn't always manufactured in the same spirit.

    Anyway, I as most of you have seen malfunctions and unreliable Glocks, P7's (I have a story about this one), and even a BHP that I once owned. Yet, all of the forementioned are (in my mind) reliable handguns by design.

    Dobe
     
  9. Tamara

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    What Dobe said.

    Especially this: "I don't trust ANY handgun, until I run a few boxes through it."

    It boggles my mind to see someone load up a handgun they just bought and put it on their hip, without function-testing it or even verifying that a firing pin was included with their shiny new purchase. :uhoh:
     
  10. Greg Bell

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    RikWriter,


    :D :D :D :D
     
  11. Gunhead

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    Most reliable?

    This is the wrong approach, I think.

    The proper topic name is the "Least unreliable 1911 .45ACP pistol". ;)
     
  12. RikWriter

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    Only to those who get all their information about 1911s from the internet.
     
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    Try them first...........No matter what you buy (100 rnds). You buy junk, junk you'll have.

    The same goes for Smiths........

    PigPen
     
  14. Sean Smith

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    Whatever. :rolleyes:

    At a reasonable price, Colt. The 01991 I had ran better than some Glocks I've had, and had more rounds put through it than any of 'em. The other Colts I've owned were reliable, too, but I had them modified for fun. Of course, we know based on the genius posts on this forum that that ain't possible. ;)

    At an unreasonable price :D , a Springfield Armory Professional model.
     
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    Didnt the 1911 design pass the absurdly difficult military trials prior to acceptance? Packed with mud, left in salt water, generallly beat the hell up. etc.? When did they become an unreliable design?
     
  16. RikWriter

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    When some Joe Schmoe put bad ammo and bad mags into one and decided that all 1911s were unreliable. And then posted it on a bulletin board. The rest is whining history.
     
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    Amen! Brother Rik
     
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    Springfield Professional Model.

    Of course you'll pay for that privilege but you asked....
     
  19. dsk

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    When machined barstock steel gave way to first investment cast, then MIM. When the factories began hiring employees who had no idea how to properly fit an extractor and weren't about to be taught. Basically, when the manufacturers stopped looking at the 1911 as a life-or-death killing tool, and more as a toy to play games on Saturdays with.
     
  20. Greg Bell

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    Rik,

    "Only to those who get all their information about 1911s from the internet."

    Yes, yes it is all a conspiracy started by the internet. Damn internet. It is a shame that we now get our information from actual users--not just gun comic books who count on gun companies for their livlihood.:uhoh: I've learned a lot from my fellow gun owners here on THR (and the old TFL) but it has been common knowledge for as long as (I'd wager) anyone here has been alive that the 1911 usually needs a little tweaking out of the box. As a person who has owned 1911s, shot 1911s, listened to friends with 1911s, gunshop customers with 1911s,etc I can unequivocally state that it has been my experience that the 1911 design is no where near as reliable any Sig, HK, Glock I've owned or shot. Can it be made to work as reliably as these others? I am sure it can since we have people who claim they have never had problems with their guns here on THR. Some of them I have followed for years on TFL and elsewhere so I believe them. Do I believe that a 1911 that is as reliable as a SIG/Glock is a common occurrence--heck no!

    A little story about my Kimber. First of all, it was a jammomatic. However, it was, bar none, the most accurate pistol I have ever shot (and that includes a HK P9s competition I owned). It was phenomenal. So, I understand the devotion to the 1911. I love the cocked and locked feature (that is why I bought a USP even though I hate the grip). Still, the 1911s brilliant features can't undo its bad ones. And one of those bad features is, on average, it is less accurate that other modern designs like the Glock,Sig, etc.

    GHB
     
  21. dsk

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    Oh yes, there's the other part of the problem. Modern 1911s tend to be fitted so ridiculously tight you'd think they were trying to make 'em waterproof. The 1911 was never supposed to be that tight, and they're not normally going to give "bar none" accuracy if designed as a fighting tool like they should be. But we gun lovers expect, no, DEMAND match-grade accuracy out of 1911s so the makers aim to please. The result is a design that is now built to win trophies, not gunfights.

    My genuine USGI guns DON'T jam. They are every bit as reliable as ANY Glock or SIG. Some of the newer commercial guns I have bought have been just as reliable. Unfortunately many of them haven't.
     
  22. Lobotomy Boy

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    DSK, do you think the Springfield Mil Spec is designed to acceptably loose tolerances? Judging by reports on various threads, that generally seems to be one of the most reliable 1911s.

    PS. It's amazing how you little rascals start squabbling every time the numbers "1911" appear in a post.
     
  23. RikWriter

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    Yes it is, because it's inaccurate. It's subject to sampling error, as those who've had negative experiences are MUCH more likely to respond than those that haven't. It's also totally anecdotal, key details are usually missing and it's usually totally anonymous.
    I trust my own experiences and those of people I know in real life FAR more than I do those I read on the internet. They are still anecdotal, but at least I know all the details.
     
  24. unitman

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    I bought a new 1991 Series Colt Combat Commander last month and have put slightly over 300 rounds through it so far. It has been stone-cold reliable and very accurate. The fit and finish are excellent. I like it so much that I plan to buy a full-size Colt Government model later this year. Check out the reviews of the Colts at the 1911 forum. I recommend that if you buy one, get one of recent manufacture because Colt reportedly had QC problems in the eighties through late nineties.
     
  25. Feanaro

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    It was once common knowledge that black people were inferior to whites. Didn't make it true, did it? :neener: If I could get my grand-father to register, I would most surely collect that wager. His, and those of everyone around him in the Air Force, functioned perfectly no matter what they did to them. And there weren't any hollow-points to jam on and people weren't clamboring for a pistol that is both extremely accurate and reliable. How much is this wager? No point in bothering him if it's a small amount. :D
     
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