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Motorist beaten by mob in Milwaukee

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sportcat, Dec 27, 2005.

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  1. Sportcat

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    MILWAUKEE - At least 15 young people dragged a motorist out of his car and kicked and punched him, causing severe head trauma, after he honked his horn to get them to move out of a street, police said.

    It was the latest in a series of mob beatings in the city.

    The 50-year-old man was in critical condition Tuesday and it was unclear whether he would survive, police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz said.

    Schwartz said the man was driving alone on the city’s north side late Monday when he honked at the group of young people in the middle of a road.

    “Instead of moving they surrounded the vehicle,” and kicked and beat him, she said. “They left him for dead and when we showed up he was lying in the street.”

    Officers hadn’t made any arrests Tuesday, she said.

    It was unclear where the man was going or if he lived in the area, she said.

    In September 2002, more than a dozen people, mostly young boys, chased a man through the streets and beat him to death with shovel handles, rakes and tree limbs.

    A man with schizophrenia died after being beaten and robbed by a group in July 2004. Six teens were charged; one was convicted, charges against four were dropped and one is awaiting trial.

    Four days after that attack, a 14-year-old boy was kicked, punched and hit on the head with a piece of lumber after he exchanged words with a girl, who summoned older relatives. He was in a coma for two weeks. Also that summer, four brothers were beaten by a group armed with bats, bottles, sticks and socks stuffed with canned food.

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    Questions:

    1. What are the CCW laws in WI?
    2. Is it hard to get into a locked car (assuming it was locked)?
    3. Doesn't a car make a great battering ram?
     
  2. 1 old 0311

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    #1 You are in a 3000 lb, car
    #2 You have a gas pdl.
    #3 Run the bast#*ds over:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

    Kevin
     
  3. Phyphor

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    No kidding,

    if there's any reason to dump the clutch at full throttle / let the brakes whack, THAT'S definitely the one.

    Any crunchies in the way will just have to deal with it.
     
  4. bratch

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    My bumper is just about knee level on the truck.
     
  5. lysander

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    #4 You find yourself on the wrong end of an overzealous prosecutor and a couple of civil suits when you are unable to convince anyone that you were in "fear for your life" inside your car.
     
  6. erik the bold

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    How about locking the door for starters....:scrutiny:

    If they break a window, or start pounding on the car, THEN run the :cuss: over
     
  7. Zundfolge

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    #4 YOU ACTUALLY LIVE to find yourself on the wrong end of an overzealous prosecutor and a couple of civil suits...
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    Pardon an old man's forgetfulness, please. Would someone please remind me what part of Zimbabwe Milwaukee is in?
     
  9. Sportcat

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    At least I'll be alive to be judged by a jury of my peers.
     
  10. lysander

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    Agreed on both counts.

    I wasn't trying to imply that the gentleman shouldn't have gunned it and knocked the miscreants aside like the Dude and Walter topple bowling pins...just trying to point out the kind of thinking that may have stayed his hand. People sometimes are not able to identify the tipping point when civility is no longer required. I am guessing that is what led to the result we see in the article.
     
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    +1
     
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    I think that situation where the giant economy size cans of Alaskan Bear spray could come in handy.

    kjeff50cal
     
  13. Old Fuff

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    The radical/left Democrat section...:cuss: :neener: :D
     
  14. Working Man

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    LOL... I thought I saw that on National Geographic.

    Mine too. Remember V8 isn't just vegetable juice.

    Sad but that may very well be true.

    I hate the fact that these types of things still happen. We have all seen the
    LA riot videos of the trucker who got beat up after stopping his truck. That
    should have been a lesson learned for everyone.

    I would not stop for a group of 4 legged animals attacking me in my truck
    and they don't know any better. The biggest difference is the wild dog does
    not have a mother plastered all over TV screaming "He was a good kid" or
    "They were only children". I guess "He was a good man" or "He was a
    father/grandfather" doesn't mean as much. Where's the special interest groups
    and preachers screaming "He was wronged" to any and all who will put a
    camera in their face? :fire:
     
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    CCW might not have saved him but at least a couple of the perpetrators would be known to the police......

    I travel into and all over Milwaukee regularly on business, there are some HORRENDOUSLY bad neighborhoods, places where you just don't go unless you have to and even then going unarmed is stupid.
     
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    I think he got beat around 35th and Capitol - #1 on the 'hit' parade of places not to be anytime the sun is beyond the horizon. This is the 4th or 5th time that incidents like these have occurred here in the last two years. And now I want all of the hand-wringers and do-gooders out there to explain to me how an innocent citizen that can leagally carry a firearm is better off without a gun in those situations.They crowd the car, start trying to rip the doors off and break the windows, as soon as entry is gained in even the slightest manner - my DW is out and I'm backing off faces with some 10mm going through them. We'll see who resides in a body bag after that encounter!

    Another point the 'good-hearted' libs never bother to make is that almost all of the violent crimes in Milwaukee this year, including a 33% jump in murders, is black-on-black crime. Those members of those communities that are living there through economic or family circumstances should be able to protect there way of life as they see fit, not by the fear of the local bangers and thugs. I imagine after the first two BG's that get shot down by some GG's will have the perps thinking a bit clearer on how to conduct themselves in the future.

    Hell, I'm an instructor and I live just a few minutes from Milwaukee- if this CCW passes for WI maybe I'll hand out fliers in the city offering free instruction for those that need it. Hey, this could be fun!!!
     
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    ALWAYS lock your car doors!

    I'm surprised at how few people lock their car doors when they drive. Everytime I give someone a ride, I lock the doors and explain that I always lock my doors. They say, "Oh, that's a good idea. I never do that."

    Such an easy first layer of defense. It will at least slow down an attacker and give you time to realize what is going on and an opportunity to evaluate your options.
     
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    Never mind, didn't read far enough into thread.
     
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    I always remember the Reginald Denny thing back in Lost Angeles. Lets see, I'm in a big ole dump truck in a riot, stop and get the brick to the head, kicked, stomped and beat up OR-drive over the trash? What a choice to make.

    Someone tries to drag me or anyone in my vehicle out or harm us, they are going to know the meaning of the phrase "where the rubber meets the road".
     
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    Dogs in packs are the most dangerous

    I feel for an innocent guy, but I would not get out of my car. I'd lock the doors and just move along, as soon as someone punches the car or pounds on the glass, I lay on the horn and proceed forward or backward out of harms way, if they don't move, let Darwin's theory work.:scrutiny:

    I know it's easy to keyboard commando this one to death.
    I just hope it teaches me to be more cognizant of my surroundings.

    However, I do think of this. You don't have to impart much speed of a 3000 pound car to exert more energy than any CCW weapon currently available. You just spread the load out a lot more. Vehicular incidents in riot or situations as described in this thread are much easier to deal with legally than a shooting. I'm sure you have a much higher probability of being cleared when running someone over as opposed to shooting them. Still a mess, but not a "gun" issue for the media to go nuts on, I live in Portland Oregon, wouldn't stand a chance. This incident makes me think of two others, one assault related, the other, gun related. I want to share because they're relevant, and a tragic events that happened to people close to me.

    I know by work acquaintance the mom of a family where such an incident occurred. The husband was beat by 5 or so teens at a christmas tree lot and one of the teen hit him in the head with a bat. He did survive. Strong family, but man what a mess that was, it was in the news for a year in this area. The guy was in ICU for quite a while. Talking to this woman about that stuff was absolutely heart wrenching. The pain was real, very real, talk about life changing forever in a few simple moments.

    I also know a family that lost a son in his 20's due to him being shot by the land owner. I don't know the circumstances other than it was hunting season. It was absolutely awful, and seeing it play out through my parents interaction with the family is something that no one should have to go through.

    jeepmor
     
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    I seem to recall a line from Goldeneye:

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    "Use the bumper, that's what its for!"

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    If my math is correct(mass times velocity squared, divided by 450,400), and sometimes it is, a .45 ACP, shooting a 230 grain bullet at 850 fps, generates 369 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. A 3000 pound vehicle, moving 60 mph, generates 361,066 ft-lbs of energy at the bumper :).

    I say lock your vehicle doors, and when in fear of your life, punch it. The vehicle is a much more capable weapon than any firearm. I would much rather get shot than run over by a car anyday, but I try to avoid both :).

    Just my .02,
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    FireBreather01:

    So just how is your local media trying to explain this incident? I notice that the national radical left/Democrat-leaning news outlets don't seem to be mentioning it - at least not in southeast Arizona.

    And now that they've had a little time, has what passes for law enforcement made any arrests? I would hope that some "young people" would have their backsides in a sling, but I won't hold my breath... :fire:
     
  24. CZ 75 BD

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    Question # 1 - There is no CCW in WI, yet. The legislature just passed a bill with "veto-proof" majorities. Gov. Doyle has promised a veto, just like last year. This time the veto will be over-ridden, so say supporters.
     
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    Sounds like WI needs CCW ASAP, IMHO. :p
     
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