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  1. HC

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    Can anyone think of a movie/TV scene showing an accurate depiction of Point-Shooting as taught by Fairbairn, Sykes, Applegate, et al? All the better cinema treatments seem to depict Modern Pistol techniques of the Cooper etc schools. Thanks!

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  2. dogmush

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    Collateral, I think. (Tom Cruise with a USP) Although you could make the argument they all do, as I rarely see someone use sights in a movie.
     
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    While Vincent demonstrates an extremely fast draw and two shots from the classic Fairbairn "close-hip" position, most of his shots are two-handed as in the Modern Pistol schools. He also employs Mozambique drills almost exclusively, and those weren't part of the old-fashioned Point-Shooting methods. He's Modern Pistol-schooled, I think.

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    I was just gonna say Collateral. Im almost positive they did. What about Shooter?
     
  5. bogie

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    Guys, don't do one thing without the other...

    If you make sure the gun fits you well enough to instinctively point, it'll aim a LOT easier and faster.
     
  6. crebralfix

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    Speaking from experience...I don't believe this at all. Glocks point high for me...the front sight appears to be higher than the rear.

    Yet, I still use them. I can point shoot just fine with them. Drawing as fast as possible is not a problem. I can do the same with a 1911, Hi-Power, revolvers, and so on.

    The reason is that I have trained extensively with a variety of guns. I don't just plink when I go to the range or dry fire at home...it's work. Think about EVERY shot and WHY it was good or bad. Then, adjust accordingly and remember what the shot was like.

    It's not rocket science. Anyone who practices sufficiently should be able to pick up any handgun and shoot it well. If you cannot, then you have some work to do.

    BTW, 22 LR caliber guns (and conversion kits) make this process much less expensive.

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    Back to movies that show point shooting.

    Though they're not movies, police dash cams frequently show the officer shooting with the gun below eye level.
     
  7. shouldifail

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    not a movie, but the tv show (not sure if its still on the air) The Unit seemed to have quite a bit.
    the executive producer?? for the show is eric haney, an ex-delta force operator.
     
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    Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) in 3:10 to Yuma. Charlie Prince (Ben Foster) does it as well. Cowboy movies tend to be the best examples I think.
     
  9. Mr_Rogers

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    I agree entirely with Crebralfix except one point. You can handle many different pistols but in my view you are better off sticking with one main weapon only to ensure consistency.

    The 22/work gun point is good if the handling of the two weapons is sufficiently similar. In my case I use a Sig Mosquito to replace a Sig 228. This is about as close a similarity as I can find. Fortunately, we chose the 228 first so the Mosquito was a natural fit when it was introduced. The Mosquito did need a trigger job since the stock trigger is abominable.

    There was a movie once about combat in Africa that had a very good sequence of someone point-shooting their way out of an attack. It is pretty old - I will see if one of the movie buffs I know can find the sequence.
     
  10. Eric F

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    the punisher at the end of the movie where Mr. Saint guets his.
     
  11. Hoppy590

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    some older movies featuring people such as Humphrey Bogart tend to have some style of point shooting. such as in Casablanca with low waist point when Rick shoots Major Strasser. i think the Peter Lorre character of Ugarte does some too.
     
  12. Thernlund

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    Heat, at the end where Pachino is suprised by De Niro (sees his shadow) and shoots him.


    -T.
     
  13. Old Grump

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    "The reason is that I have trained extensively with a variety of guns. I don't just plink when I go to the range or dry fire at home...it's work. Think about EVERY shot and WHY it was good or bad. Then, adjust accordingly and remember what the shot was like."

    Exactly right and it is why even though my 1911 is my first choice for serious or fun if you can't pick up any gun and shoot it you are doing yourself a big disservice. When I used to run the pistol shoots at my club one of my matches was to have everybody move over one position to the left or to the right and shoot their neighbors gun. It was a fun match, not serious competition so it might have been anything from a 380 pistol to a 45 colt SA revolver.
     
  14. DaleA

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    What a clever idea. I'm betting that it was one of those things you JUST DID before everyone told you it couldn't be done for a lot of reasons.

    Many years ago I shot with a club that had fun shooting but the club (and the indoor range itself where several other clubs shot too) is long gone.
     
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    "Harper" with Paul Newman. I don't know the proper point shooting terminology but he kicks in a door, holds the gun out from his hip and unloads on someone two feet away.
     
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    Sounds like the ultimate FAL movie, The Wild Geese - specifically, the scene where Hardy Krueger as "Lt. Pieter Coetzee" has the ailing "President Julius Limbani" slung over his shoulder as he hip-shoots a couple of "Simbas" with his L1A1(or S. African R1) - too bad he still gets killed, anyway...

    Also, the pilot episode of The Unit, where "SnakeDoc" takes out the tangoes in the airplane - according to point-shooting instructor Matthew Temkin, he's actually shooting more like Col. Applegate in this sequence than like Lt.Col. Cooper. ;)
     
  17. FreeinAZ

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    Way of the gun. Even has a one-handed tactical exchange!
     
  18. HC

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    Thanks guys, so far we have HARPER, THE UNIT, and THE WILD GEESE. I check those. COLLATERAL and WAY OF THE GUN show Modern Pistol technique, I think -- they employ modern double-handed stances most of the time. I am specifically after the one-handed hip-shooting favoured around WWII.

    Cheers

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  19. Mr_Rogers

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    HC,
    F&S taught a continuum of techniques that ranged from gun level with the face sighting along the frame (but not using sights) to the awkward looking "close-hip" technique with the gun pulled back into a retention position. The common factor generally, as you mention, is one-handed use. However, even F&S recommend a two-handed grip and the use of sights for longer range shooting.

    F&S had a thoroughly practical approach to the combat pistol. My guess would be that the most characteristic of their techniques would be the single-handed, upright, square stance, position and the crouched position they named the "three-quarter hip" position. Both of these positions have been out of favor in the US since WW2. The square stance because it is single-handed and the "three quarter hip because it implies the use of no formal stance whatsoever.

    You will see examples from the F&S continuum in various movies but I am still trying to think of a movies where the F&S techniques were consistently portrayed.
     
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    There is a very brief scene in "True Lies" where an "agent" gets into the terrorist/hostage area posing as a reporter. He has a pistol concealed in his camera. He pops the pistol out, lets the camera fall, and executes excellent point-shoot double-taps on two targets about 4 - 5 yards away. When I saw that scene, I knew immediately that whoever that actor was, was not relying on the "consultant" for his gun-handling skills. I'd bet my bottom dollar that whoever that actor was, is a shooter in real life. And a skilled one.
     
  21. Wayne D

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    It could also be argued that was a "Speed Rock" which is a modern technique.
     
  22. Thernlund

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    They showed that clip in my CCW class and referred to it as a Speedrock.


    -T.
     
  23. Wayne D

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    Of course, a lot of the "Modern Techniques" are old techniques that were re-discovered. ;)
     
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    Check out "Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia" Warren Oates used both classic F&S and the Modern technique in the shooting sequences. Both Warren Oates and director Sam Peckinpaugh were avid shooters and fmr Marines.
    Hoppy590 was dead-on about Bogie, he also used the F&S type technique in the final scenes of "Key Largo".
    One might include both "Where Eagles Dare" and "The Wild Bunch" also for F&S type technique displays, or how about "L.A. Confidential" ?
     
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