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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by g-nome, Jan 5, 2006.

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  1. g-nome

    g-nome Member

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    As I understand it, this term refers to a double tap of the center mass followed by a single round to the head. Correct?

    Where does the term Mozambique come from though?

    Plus, how do you pronounce it? :D

    Is it; Mow(lawn mower)-zam-beak? Oh-yeah am I spelling it correctly?

    He he thanks.
     
  2. 1 old 0311

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    That is how you pronounce it. The term came from how they shot terrorists. Actually I think the South Africans were the first to use it.

    Kevin
     
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    The Mozambique Drill is suppose to be two to the body and access (low ready). The subsequent shot to the head comes as a realization that the two to the body did not stop the threat, body armor, drug crazed, whatever. The rythm should be reggae.
     
  5. Preacherman

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    The "Mozambique drill" was named by Col. Jeff Cooper after the experience of one of his students who had to defend himself in that country. Fr. Frog describes it as follows:

    (By the way, if you haven't yet discovered Fr. Frog's shooting pages, I highly recommend them as good reading. Click on the "home page" link on the page I linked to above, and prepare for several hours of shooting-related reading enjoyment! And no, Fr. Frog is not me, but I've gotten to know him over the years, and count him as a friend.)
     
  6. Onmilo

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    Yeah,
    The Mozambique Drill.
    It's great.
    Very effective.
    Especially if the target isn't shooting back at you!

    Mozambique is a wonderful place.
    You can get your hand chopped off for stealing and then the hand is chopped up even more so a surgeon can't sew it back on!
    Like you will find a reconstructive surgeon in Mozambique!

    Women can have their ears chopped off for listening to gossip and their lips cut off for speaking gossip.
    Then they can have the ultimate joy of pan frying and eating the body parts in the town square.
    I guess so those parts can't be sewn back on by that all too common reconstructive surgeon.

    Stick to realistic training like hitting a swinging plate with one or two well placed shots.
    This will get you farther in the real world than wasting bullets on silly drills.
     
  7. 1911 guy

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    Dpuble tap with a follow up

    I enjoy reading Col. Cooper, but dissagree with him on this. If I've got two shots off and need to do more, a smaller, more mobile target isn't what I've got in mind. The pelvic girdle seems more appropriate to me. Hopefully break foreward motion with a large target, then deal with the new developements which are hopefully a disabled and disarmed assailant.
     
  8. sturmruger

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    I usually practice shooting two shots to COM and then pause to see if another shot is neeeded. I guess they call that Mozambique. For me it just makes sense, I want to stop any threat as soon as humanly possible.
     
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    In the pistol EIC matches I shoot with the National Guard, it's called the "Anti Body Armor" stage.
     
  10. rchernandez

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    When you look at it all, it's about stopping an adversary high on drugs, running amok, or what have you and the adequacy of the firearm/ammo on hand. One variation to this drill that I heard about involved stopping an on-rushing adversary by aiming at the lower abdomen/hips to make them drop sooner. I'm not sure what the point was but I think they were after the hip bone (?) where the hit supposedly registers far greater pain and more immediate stopping...murky details

    The Mozambique experience is not too in-different to the American experience in the Philippines with the Moro's around the turn of the century. .30 caliber rifles and .38 caliber pistols couldn't stop their drug induced charge and Moro warrior still managed to swing their bolos at the soldiers despite being riddled with bullets. Back then the solution was a lot simpler, as the story goes, no double taps...the army adopted a larger round...thus the 1911 in .45acp.

    Disclosure: I immigrated from the Philippines some time ago and yes, I do have a collection of 1911 types in .45acp...now mostly wad guns for bullseye.


    Okay...lunch is over, back to work.
     
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    preacherman, thanks for the fr frog link. it was indeed an hour or two of reading enjoyment
     
  12. Nicky Santoro

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    Local shyster was on the receiving end of one some years ago. Two .25 ACP to the upper thorax, followed by one to the beezer. Seems to work well. He's still dead.
     
  13. mustanger98

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    Some of my reading of Col. Cooper quotes him as saying he didn't coin the term "Mozambique Drill". It came about, IIRC, because one of his friends got killed over there emptying a mag into a charging assailant's COM, whereas he might have lived had he put 2rds COM and 1rd in the head. IIRC, this is also called the "El Presidente". I don't doubt it also has other names in certain sporting and/or fighting circles.
     
  14. taliv

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    close, but no. the story in cooper's words is in the link preacherman posted.
     
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    Two shots and stopping is NOT a Mozambique Drill. The MB is two shots to COM followed by one shot to the head. Colonel Cooper's description did not say to stop after two and evaluate ... he said to slow down and be sure of shot placement for the third. Could this be because the head is a smaller target than the torso?
     
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    Upon closer inspection, actually, Preacherman posted the quotes for Cooper that I recall, but it had been a couple of years since I'd seen them. Time, even for a younger person, has a way of goofing things up. I recalled that Cooper's associate (friend, student, whatever; in this case, student) had been killed in fighting in Africa but didn't retain the exact details. However, I'm quite sure Col. Cooper said he wasn't the one who coined the name "Mozambique Drill" from reading directly from Cooper's Commentaries at that time. I WILL be looking this up.
     
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    The drill should not be confused with the practice of giving a coup de grace to the head after the target is down or on his way down. THAT would likely get you prison time. The MD as I know it is two fast shots COM, after which you adjust your aim up and are prepared to shoot the head. If the two COM shots did their job, as you come up you'll see only air not a head and there will be no need for the third shot. If the head is still there as you raise up, you shoot it.
     
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    Here is what I've found so far of Col. Cooper's writing concerning or relating to the Mozambique Drill.

    http://www.molonlabe.net/Commentaries/jeff4_8.html
    http://www.molonlabe.net/Commentaries/jeff1_1.html
    http://www.molonlabe.net/Commentaries/jeff5_6.html
     
  19. stoky

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    Then the witness says: "He shot him twice and he dropped his weapon. Then he shot him in the head."
    Should your focus be on the front sight when you do the two COM?
    Maybe then you lower your weapon (slightly), so you can see, and focus moves foward to the threat. Still a threat? Weapon comes back up, focus to front sight on the head. Could this happen way quicker than it takes to read it?

    As TarpleyG pointed out the name was changed from the politically incorrect Mozambique Drill to Failure Drill. The two COM shots failed to terminate the threat, so a head shot was required. Two to the body, one to the head, we'd like em alive but we'll take em dead.

    El Presidente is three targets, beginning with the shooters back to the targets. The shooter looks over his shoulder and percives a threat. The shooter turns, draws and shoots two targets with a single COM shot and two COM shots to the third target. The shooter performs a speed reload and executes a head shot on each of the first two targets.

    Ultimate ninja guarnfkenteed combat solutions?
    hardly
    Some excercises that might sharpen one's motor skills, induce some thought and not make your buddy quite as nervous as having him downrange swinging a plate for you to shoot at?
    Reckon that's for you to decide.
     
  20. taliv

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    mustanger, yeah, i'm not sure anyone really cares, probably not even cooper. but the way i read that is only saying that cooper popularized the drill and probably created it. he didn't say whether or not he named it. maybe his friend named it. who knows?


    either way, like anything else, you take the good and leave the bad. double-tap to COM seems a rational first reaction. if it becomes evident that the first two HITS had no effect, letting fly with the remaining 6 to the same area is probably not the best decision. should you shoot slowly at the head? maybe. legs? maybe. run like hell? maybe

    all i'm saying is it's probably a better response than closing your eyes and pulling the trigger until it stops going bang
     
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    Good points. And it really don't matter who named the drill; it's a good strategy by any name especially if it saves somebody's life.

    I remember when I got my first 1911A1, I know I was getting a good gun, but I also knew I was outfitting for a bad situation I hoped never came (and so far, so good). I had the 7rd mag that came with it, but I got two 8rd Colt mags... we said if I couldn't take care of it with 23rds, I was in the wrong place, but the truth is if I'd had to use the first round I was in the wrong place, because common sense is "a gun is not a substitute for situational awareness" and "a fight avoided is a fight won". (I don't know who said it, but I know I'm quoting somebody.:confused: ) I've also heard it said that "anybody who kills when he can do otherwise is crazy", but there's also plenty of arguement against shooting out somebody legs because "everybody knows" a live perp is still a threat. "Run like Hell?" That's what they told me I better do if I couldn't take care of it with 23rds. ***shrug*** Best to avoid it altogether if possible, but know how to take care of what can't be avoided.

    Amen to that. There is no magic bullet.
     
  22. trickyasafox

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    what ever happened to shoot till good ol' fashioned slide lock, reload and reasses? i mean come on people:p
     
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    That sounds good as far as simplicity goes, but, let's say I have 70rds of .45 in loaded mags, and I do. But, if somebody's charging and they get inside 21' (= 7yds = contact distance according to case law in GA) acting like they're hopped up on goofballs and don't stop after the double tap, how many more rounds and reloads can I go through before it becomes hand to hand, or worse yet, a knife fight.:uhoh: Best to stop 'em short of that.
     
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    This reminds me of the "official LAPD SWAT Gang Sign."

    You look at the bad guys lurking on the street corner and put two fingers ("peace sign") over your heart, and the pointer finger of the other hand on your forehead. And you smile at them.
     
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    Head shots AFTER a reload? That sounds like a coup de grace. You have to be careful with followup shots on humans. The head shot is a last-ditch measure.
     
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