the mp5 is one of the top in it's class (first would be the p90 imo) but to arm your elite forces with it and they say come across a fire fight with the ever so popular ak47, i don't think they stand a chance in terms of range and power. yes it is capable of midrange but the 9mm wasn't design for it. but the mp5 does serve it's purpose well such as close quarter combat against light armor, not against someone hiding behind a wall/tree some several hundred feet away.
MP-5 overrated?
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IMO the MP-5 is all around the best sub-machine gun. When the type of enviroment and situation calls for a stealthy closeup engagement a lot of SF teams like them. I get this opinion and information from a friend that is SF's right now. As a matter of fact he's coming to bring me some special forces command goodies in a couple of weeks. 
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i would take the M-4 with 11.5" barrel over the MP5 any day. MP5 doesnt have the penetration to bust through barriers as the M-4 so i think the MP5 is a waste of weight .
what is more armor piercing MP5 or M-4 SBR? of course the SBR. never know the BG wearing chinese made body armor i would opt with the M-4.
what is more armor piercing MP5 or M-4 SBR? of course the SBR. never know the BG wearing chinese made body armor i would opt with the M-4.
My PD used to issue MP5/10mm before AR-15s became the coolest thing to have in the rack of a patrol car. Quite a few agencies in the SF Bay Area issued them in all three calibers and all kinds of configurations. We have ARs now but I still miss the MP5. It was more compact than our 16" rifles and less blast than our 10" rifles. We never shot past 50 yards but headshots were easy at that distance.
They are not overated as long as you understand the limitations of the platform.
They are not overated as long as you understand the limitations of the platform.
lefteyedom
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Just give me a small weapons system that works. MP/5s are great put there other weapons that will do the job just as well. HK is very good at marketing, almost as good as FN.
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How many people here have actually shot a fairly wide variety of submachineguns?
Just curious.
I'm not a subgun expert, but there are far more platforms out there in the world than the MP5: a weapon whose ergonomics clearly betray the fact that it was designed in the same era as the original M14. Weapon design has gone lightyears beyond the MP5, but half the world is still stuck using it - not because it's the best, but because it works reasonably well, and it's achieved the defining hallmark status within its class of firearm. Agencies and governments buy the MP5 not necessarily because it's been tested and found superior to other offerings, but simply because it's common and widely known. Ergonomics, manufacturing techniques, and design have progressed considerably in the past half-century. Were I to look for the "best" all-round submachinegun on the market, I'd be looking towards more contemporary offerings, both in the West as well as some of the less obvious international arms manufacturers in the Souther hemisphere.
Personally, I choose my weapons based upon their attributes, not their publicity.
Just curious.
I'm not a subgun expert, but there are far more platforms out there in the world than the MP5: a weapon whose ergonomics clearly betray the fact that it was designed in the same era as the original M14. Weapon design has gone lightyears beyond the MP5, but half the world is still stuck using it - not because it's the best, but because it works reasonably well, and it's achieved the defining hallmark status within its class of firearm. Agencies and governments buy the MP5 not necessarily because it's been tested and found superior to other offerings, but simply because it's common and widely known. Ergonomics, manufacturing techniques, and design have progressed considerably in the past half-century. Were I to look for the "best" all-round submachinegun on the market, I'd be looking towards more contemporary offerings, both in the West as well as some of the less obvious international arms manufacturers in the Souther hemisphere.
Personally, I choose my weapons based upon their attributes, not their publicity.
Quiet
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I've shot a few submachineguns.Wes Janson said:
Cobray M-11/9 [open bolt]
Colt RO-635 [closed bolt]
Gas Lamp M-3A1
Group Industries Uzi [open bolt]
H&K MP-5A3 (HK94 sear gun conversion) [closed bolt]
H&K MP-5K (SP89 sear gun conversion) [closed bolt]
STEN Mark II [open bolt]
West Hurley M-1928 Thompson [open bolt]
I've shot the Uzi the most (approx. 2000 rounds) and, out of all the open bolt subguns, it was the most accurate.
However, out of all the subguns I've ever shot, the MP-5A3 was the most accurate.
i guess it depends on how many it takes to qualify as a "wide variety"
i've shot the:
MAC-10
Mac -11
M-3 "greasegun"
Thompson
Sten
Sterling
Uzi
Mini-Uzi
MP-5A3
MP-5SD
MP-5K...yes, in the briefcase
the most fun was the MP-5SD (suppressed is just cool), the least was the Greasegun (not very accurate and loud)
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I've also played with a number of different SMGs, and would consider the MP5 the best I've trained on, though it definitely has its minuses as well as pluses (placement of the safety is the main one I noted).
Out of the available stuff in the US for non-exotic agency civilian types, that'd be Macs, M76, Reisling, Thompson, MP-40, Uzi, MP5. Semi-auto versions including the PS90 and the UMP builds for more modern stuff.
For a personal gun, it's about what I shoot best. The fullsize MP5 I shot first before the K, got me from the start - it was a laser beam that almost wasn't fun to shoot because it was too easy to use. My personal K-PDW is one of those guns that just does what it's supposed to, regardless of marketing or hype or whatever.
It's not perfect. Bolt hold open/safety could use work. It's heavy for what it is (but not as bad as the Uzi or Thompson by a long shot), and I'm not sure that making it lighter wouldn't take something away from the shootability.
And the shootability is what matters in the end for me. I'd sell many, many other things before having to get rid of mine. Even if zombies never come, and I'm forced to defend myself against roving clay pidgeons or cans, I'll be happy with it.
But none of that will ultimately matter, because HK hates me as it makes $60 a magazine from me and god knows how much in spare parts. I know it because that's what these threads devolve into.
I read an article many moons ago (more like 8 plus years, IIRC) that showcased some 500,000 round or higher MP-5's that were being used as security weapons for a government facility. Again, IIRC, it might have been a NASA site.
They loved their subguns but knew that with all the training they were doing that eventually they would be replaced.
But you have to admit, knowing that as long as you had spare parts these weapons would keep right on chewing up the ammo like a fat kid in a candy store definately puts it in a well deserved category of it's own.
Kris
They loved their subguns but knew that with all the training they were doing that eventually they would be replaced.
But you have to admit, knowing that as long as you had spare parts these weapons would keep right on chewing up the ammo like a fat kid in a candy store definately puts it in a well deserved category of it's own.
Kris
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For an SMG, it is a great gun. I really like them.
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Because I use an M-4 for the purpose which an MP-5 was previouslly issued.
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