Muzzle devices ??

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Let me start off by making it clear that this topic is not to say which is better or who makes the best. It’s just to show some of what’s out there and to let others see what our members like to use. I think that this would be the best way to help those that are still trying to decide on what muzzle devices to go with.
I have a box full of muzzle devices that range in price from $9 to $80. I’ve installed many different types on AR rifles and pistols.
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Here are a few of them. On the top row is four muzzle breaks/comps the bottom row, except for the two on the right are flash hiders. The two on the bottom right are flash cans.
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And believe it or not, there are shooters that still don’t know the difference between a muzzle break, flash hider and a flash can.
It can also get confusing due to the fact that there are some muzzle devices that try and bridge the gap between the two.
But the basics is a muzzle break, or comp is designed to reduce recoil and a flash hider is to reduce the muzzle flash for the shooter.
Both have their pluses and minuses.
I remember when we were issued the new M16 A2. They had replaced the old birdcage flash hider with one that didn’t have the slots cut out on the bottom side. Some said this was to reduce recoil, which was not true. It was to keep from kicking up dirt when firing from the prone. Now this worked great until you had to shoot from an odd angle with the rifle turned sideways while prone.
But let’s not go to deep into each type yet and stay closer to the basics.
The big plus to the flash hider is that it disburses the muzzle flash for the shooter at night or low light. The minus is that muzzle energy is directed away from the front which can cause the shooter to hear more noise.
The muzzle break is to reduce felt recoil and muzzle climb. The tread off is that a large amount of muzzle energy is directed up or to the sides, or both, making the gun very loud for the shooter or anyone to the sides of the shooter.
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This is where the linear comp and the flash cans come in. The flash can came out due to the loud report of a SBR or AR pistol. It basically directs the muzzle energy forward and helps to expand the gas. This making shooting a shooter barrel gun more enjoyable.
Then the linear comp came along. It gave you the advantages of the flash can and a flash hider.
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Then we have this one. Depending on who you talk to you will get a different answer. But basically it was designed to force muzzle energy to the front and provide some gas restrictions to help in more reliable functioning on short barrel guns.
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Now I’m no expert and there are a few that can go deep into each type of muzzle devices, but in truth, I think most members would get board an stop reading. But if you have some further info on one of the muzzle devices, that won’t put us into a coma, please feel free to add the info.

I think what will be more helpful is to show some pics of the muzzle devices that y’all use or have used and tell us why you like or dislike about them. Remember that we’re not trying to decide what is best, but what you like best and maybe why.
I’ll post pics of some of the muzzle devices I have on some of my guns in my next post.
 
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Good summary. I use flash cans on my 5.56 and 300 BO pistols, linear comps on my 9mm pistol and HD 16" 5.56 carbine, and plain A2 bird cage flash hiders on the rest of my carbines and rifles. I have never had any use for muzzle brakes.
 
I have always liked a three prong flash hider. The old M16 type works great at disbursing the flash without directing much noise at the shooter. I have them on a few of my guns.
This one is on my 16” barrel Dissipator.
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This one is on my 10.5” SBR
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This one is on my son’s carbine.
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If you don’t mind the extra weight, this AAC three prong works great
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This is a Midwest Industry flash hider. It great for the guys that want something a little different from a three prong. The closed front helps to keep it from staging. It has small teeth on the front for breaching.
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Here’s a good old Yankeehill phantom. Just a good all around flash hider.
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A standard A2 flash hider on a 5.56 Pistol.
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A long flash hider that’s pinned and welded to a 10.5” barrel. This one is on my junkyard build and fun to shoot.
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I had never heard of a flash can before this, your interesting lesson, on muzzle terminations. The other two I use frequently. I especially like the brake on the end of my 50 BMG. That makes it painless.
Thanks Gunny for the fine dissertation. Most educational for me.
 
Thanks Gunny. Standing next to more and more AR pistols at the range, I know already that putting on the right muzzle device can make a big difference. I have been comparing what to put on my own build for awhile.
 
I found a pretty useful spreadsheet someone had put together on muzzle brakes and what actual effect he noted using them. I don't know how he was pulling his numbers, but it looked legit and gave you an idea what % decrease in felt recoil they all delivered. When I picked up my Zastava AK from Brownells B&M, they had a VG6 Epsilon in stock and I remembered it from that spreadsheet so I bought it.

I briefly owned a Stribog, which is a 9mm smg that shoots pretty flat already. I looked for and found a small muzzle break that was only ported skyward. Took it to the range and shot a mag with the thread protector. Put the muzzle brake on right there and shot another mag and the difference was noticeable, and not in a lying to yourself kind of way. I'd say it reduced what little muzzle rise that gun had somewhere between 30-40%, which seemed like a good investment.

anyway, I think they're useful too
 
Here’s a Troy Mid-evil flash hider on my 18” DMR.
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I had a muzzle break on my daughter’s purple rifle, but after she fired one of my rifles with a linear comp, she had to have one. She said the break was to loud.
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Here’s one that’s kind of a cross breed. It has the vents like an A2 flash hider but has a slightly closed front. F81641DD-3A7C-4CE9-897C-FD0E3AFCEBC0.jpeg FEEBAEC7-35D5-4784-95A2-9FC91E4874F6.jpeg

Here’s the Lantec Dragon muzzle break. I love this thing. When you’re shooting slow, it feels like the muzzle is being pushed Down. In rapid fire the barrel seem to just stand still, making the rifle shoot so smooth and stay on target. The only problem is that no one wants to be your friend at the range.
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Here’s another cross breed. It’s a comp plus flash hider. I haven’t shot much with it so, I really can’t say if I like it or not. CB7A07D5-7D16-4291-AEFA-66DF5561AB10.jpeg 744BAB19-DCB9-4BE9-ADAD-1EE6B4873BB5.jpeg

This is a Strike Industries Warthog. I have it on a pistol and love it. For as short as it is, it dose it’s job of reducing muzzle rise and making follow up shots quick. I don’t mind trading the noise for function.
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My first use of a flash can was not for function. I thought it looked cool set back into the rail of my AR pistol. After shooting it I was amazed at how the sound was directed. If you’re shooting an AR pistol and don’t like the noise, give a flash can a try, you can get them in aluminum or steel for around $30.
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I have a lot of nerve damage in my left shoulder and asked my buddy over at Aklys Defense to make me a muzzle break for my 458 SOCOM. This is the prototype for the Megalodon. It makes the rifle a joy to shoot. The first word to come out of the mouth of the people I have let shoot it has been, Wooow.
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I got this one on sale. It was basically free. By adding it to my order I got free shipping that would have been the same cost as the break. It’s on my 9mm Carbine. I thought it was going to be loud, but I was surprised when I shot with it. It’s not loud and gives the Carbine a cool sound. I had a few people ask what caliber gun I was shooting.
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Gunny, thanks very much for the write-up. While I know a bit about shotguns -most of my rifle experience was learned years ago in the service (1968 - 1971) so that's pretty much M14 and M16. I knew that there were flash hiders and muzzle brakes - but little other than that. The state of the art in the intervening years is impressive. Once again thanks for some handy info... that's one of the great benefits of this site...
 
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I'm all for simple and have no need to hide any flash. It's daytime hunting only in this state and my local range has gone to the same hours trying to cut down on vandalism. I use a 3" bloop tube made from a 5" flash hider that had a bunch of holes out on the end of it. I cut off the holes, trued the cut end in the lathe, applied Oxpho-Blue, and went with it. It gets the noise out front, especially when I shoot it under the tin roof over my club's rifle range. I did change to a tanker style muzzle brake for a time doing some load work-up to see if I could see the bullet strike thru my scope and it worked quite well for that. However I didn't want to put up with the back blast and noise of the brake under that tin roof and it resides in the box containing some of my other muzzle devise experiments. If and when I do some more load experimentation it's easy to switch devises.
 
YHM Phantom fan here...I have them on my two HD- Former patrol rifles. I think they work great from daytime to dark of night :).

The rest wear A-2 flash hiders... I just haven’t had the time or desire to swap them out.

Thanks for the photo essay Gunny!

Stay safe.
 
A-2s are cheaper than thread protectors, so 1 or 2 of the ARs wear them. Others have Kaw Valley linear for noise abatement. Kalashnikov pistol has Zastava threads, so was fitted with Krink, then Kaw Valley device.
 
YHM Phantom fan here...I have them on my two HD- Former patrol rifles. I think they work great from daytime to dark of night :).

The rest wear A-2 flash hiders... I just haven’t had the time or desire to swap them out.

Thanks for the photo essay Gunny!

Stay safe.
I have put the YHM Phantom on several rifles. I was getting them for $20 each. I then found a place that was selling copies of the Phantom for $10 each. The only difference was the YHM logo on the original.
 
Good write up & pics. That’s quite a collection of muzzle devices you’ve been through. :)

When I started building ARs, right after the Billary AWB expired, I used the YHM 5C2 Flashhider. And on several builds in the next year or two. In those beginning years, I swear...felt like I was the ONLY one using them! Every AR sold ONLY came with A2’s back then. And even people building....seemed like everyone was using plastic handguards & A2’s. I was very fond of the YHM products....5C2 FH & the Aluminum tube handguards. It felt like majority of people were trying to recreate the M4....and of course those two words which are so loved..”Mil Spec”!;)

A number of years ago, I came across the Daniel Defense long flash hider. Actually DD’s re-boot of the A2...but sharp looking. Built just a couple rifles with these.
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Then in 2014, I was introduced to what is IMO, perfection in a muzzle attachment. The Surefire 3P Eliminator. 3 prong hiders are top of the food chain. I know people complain of others ringing. But the Surfires don’t! I’ve used these on more than a few builds in those last 6 years. And I’ve no plans of trading up.
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I've got the Kaw Valley Linear Compensators on my Ruger PC Carbine (9mm), a 16" AR15 and putting one on my AR pistol build (5.56mm) I am working on. I shoot a lot at an indoor range just up the street from me and they do seem to help with muzzle blast and concussion on the AR.
 
If you get a chance Gunny try one of the knights armament triple taps
 
If you get a chance Gunny try one of the knights armament triple taps
It looks like a nice muzzle device, but for what people are asking for them, I could build a basic AR even at today’s prices.
I don’t mind spending good money on parts, but sometimes the advantage of the part does not justify the cost.
 
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