Muzzle devices ??

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  1. 45CalPal

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    A lot of decent info here, I prefer the weighted type and full stainless. I bought about 4 in different weights (I weighed them) and ended up sticking with my favorite one anyways. its from just rails, it allows for almost no muzzle rise, and vent the gasses out of the way perfectly. the weighted/thick ones can be spot drilled to fine tune the weight for the gun and most used choice of ammo.
    it can be found here:

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  2. plainsdrifter

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    Cool thread. Thanks
     
  3. Hookeye

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    Wonder who has shot a FAL w the STG flashider, how it compares to the reg Belgian short one?
     
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    The first flash hiders were nothing but a cone affixed to the muzzle, such as found on the SMLE Jungle Carbine and some M1 carbines. They worked great hiding the flash from the shooter, but did nothing about hiding it from the enemy down range.

    To hide the flash from anyone downrange, the flash had to be supressed. The common misconception is the flash is unburned powder exiting the muzzle. At first glance, that makes sense because the longer the barrel, the smaller the flash. That extra length is being used to burn the powder more thoroughly resulting in a smaller flash and faster velocities, right?

    Not quite. By the time the bullet reaches the muzzle, all the powder has burned to a high temperature, high pressure flammable gas. What causes the flash is actually that gas suddenly mixing with an oxygen rich environment. Longer barrel have greater internal volume lowering the pressure and temperature of the gas before it exits. Although the gas is dropping in pressure, it's still accelerating the bullet until the volume of the bore increases to a point the gas starts losing it's push.

    Modern flash suppressors work by dispersing and cooling the hot gas to keep most of it from igniting when it mixes with the oxygen found in the atmosphere, reducing the size of the flash.

    I don't have photos handy, but over the years, the list of my favorite muzzle devices has been trimmed rather short.

    My favorite muzzle device is a direct thread suppressor, primarily because of noise reduction. There is some flash suppression and, when the AR is set up correctly, reduction of recoil. Some suppressors are better than other with flash & recoil.

    My favorite muzzle device for standard ARs is the A2 birdcage. Cheap, effective at flash suppression and offers a small amount of recoil reduction nothing beats it for the money, size and weight.

    My favorite muzzle device for shorties is the BRT Covert Comp. It's about the same size and weight as an A2 and it does an amazing job sending noise and more importantly, blast, down range. It's affordable as well.

    My favorite specialty muzzle device is the Battlecomp. It's loud and concussive on shorties, enough to make other shooters stop to see what's going on at the firing line. Blast is noticeable even in the sunlight. On a 16 carbine, concussion and flash is about the same as an A2. But where it really shines is when it's used on a well tuned 20 AR. The 20 inch with an A5 RE assembly and the Battlecomp shoots amazingly soft and flat!

    Muzzle devices can be a good way to reduce recoil and keep an AR muzzle flat. But they are most effective if the gas drive is set properly first with the correct buffers & springs. For ARs shooting 5.56 NATO ammo, buffers should be H2, A5H2 or Rifle with standard rate springs.

    I've tried brakes, but don't care for the blast & concussion. Flash cans tend to be large and heavy enough that I'd rather cough up the money for a suppressor.

    That's how we do things, down here in Wolf Hollow.
     
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  5. MistWolf

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    Some folks claim the longer FAL flash suppressor helps barrel harmonics for bit more precision.

    I like the longer flash suppressor because I like how it looks. Other than that, they work about the same. The shorter one is lighter.
     
  6. Bcwitt

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    Let's not forget the safety advantage all these devices provide. In the event of a fall, all of these devices prevent damage to end of the barrel. Also keeps foreign material clear of bore. All guns should have something like that.
     
  7. lysanderxiii

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    Trivia:

    When was the "muzzle brake", a device to redirect the powder gases to the rear to reduce recoil, first used?

    Bonus - Who was the inventor?
     
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    My guess would be around 1890 by Hiram Maxim, who later became completely deaf. This has no basis in fact, but has now been published on the internet so must be true.
     
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  9. lysanderxiii

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    Off by 48 years.

    In 1842, French Colonel Truielle de Beaulieu made a cannon with a perforated muzzle, the holes angled back about 45 dedrees. In 1863 he convinced the French Army to test the thing with promising results.

    The first US patent for a muzzle a device was filed by Samuel F. Hawley in 1871. He called it a "recoil obviator."

    The first small arms "recoil minimizer" was patented by William S. Simpson in 1902.

    You are correct that in 1890 Hiram Maxim did invent a form of muzzle brake for cannon, but this was an odd thing with springs and rods to transfer the blast loads to the cannon mount.
     
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    22159BD8-E885-4781-9059-769F292FC076.jpeg I am very new to the AR world. So, I have essentially no experience with different devices aside from the device that comes on the Ruger AR-556 MPR and a standard AR flash hider. That being said, both me and a gun shop buddy of mine were very impressed with the complete lack of movement when firing the MPR. The muzzle brake or whatever it is seems to be very effective. It’s main downside is that if you are not the one firing the gun, it feels like you are standing next to a howitzer when a round is touched off!
     
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    Think thats gnarly? Stand or sit next to a high efficiency side venting brake :D

    Thats the standard ruger radial brake, i put one from my Go Wild RA on my dads pred recently.
    Its a noticeable change from bare muzzle and not the most offensive radial ive used. But its not as effective at recoil reduction as the vg6 Gamma that replaced it on my guns.
     
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  12. MEHavey

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    You just wait, `Enry `Iggins, til you pull the trigger on an AR Beowoof.
    That brake instantly becomes your new best friend. ;)

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  13. Chuck R.

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    Agree, I put one on my 300 BLK Out 9.5" pistol and it tamed things down quite a bit without adding too much length or weight.

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  14. Chuck R.

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    Yup, all those top competitors in 3Gun with their fancy brakes shooting for accuracy and time are just wasting their money.....Then there's the PRS guys that want to be able to spot their own impacts..

    Fools all.
     
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  15. 12Bravo20

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    All muzzle devices will have their positive and negative aspects about them. Pick one that suits your needs and that the positives outweigh the negatives.

    A good compensator does help reduce muzzle rise and isn't too loud. A muzzle brake will definitely help with felt recoil but you won't make any friends on the range. The A2 flash hider is more of a "Jack of all trades" and does multiple things but isn't the best at any.

    I haven't messed with the different muzzle devices on my ARs. And as stated, the only reason I am using the Kak flash can on. my 4.5" AR22 is to clear the handguard. Though I will be looking at all options to help reduce recoil on my 308 AR due to bad shoulders.

    Unrelated to rifles but I decided to try a compensator on a 22lr pistol and did notice a difference. I installed the TandemKross Game Changer Pro on my Kel-Tec CP33 and it definitely helps keep muzzle rise to a minimum.
     
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  16. MistWolf

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    That’s a nice setup
     
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    The best line on flash suppressors I found were from Smith Enterprises , which are prong type and have wavy beveled cuts along their length. In every test I saw , granted last ones maybe 4 years back, they always proved #1 in flash mitigation . I also like variations on the original AR 3 prong type . On short barreled "assault "weapons I have been and stil am a big fan of the Noveske Flaming Pig if you cannot put on a good suppressor. Some of the linear brakes work OK and the Troy Claymore comes to mind. Lately I put Kaw Valley "flashcan" types on 9mm short barrel PDW ,once again for a real suppressor substitute ,to quiet things down in confined spaces for the shooter.
    On rifle Brakes I used Gentry Quiet brakes on heavy recoiling hunting rifles for years and they work welland are non obtrusive. The VG Gamma 6 works very well but is not quiet !
     
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  18. GunnyUSMC

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    Of all the muzzle brakes I’ve used, the Lantec Dragon is the best. You get total muzzle control.
    Here’s some still shots from one of their videos. This guy is shooting full auto and his barrel is level.
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    If you’ve never fired a rifle with a Lantec Dragon you’re missing out.
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    The only bad part is that they sell for a pretty penny. They average around $129, but you can catch them on sell for $89.
    But you won’t make any friends at the range, unless you let them shoot it. And if you shoot one in an indoor range, you might not like yourself.:rofl:
    I put mine on my pirate rifle.:cool:
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  19. Gordon
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    Not into gaudy assault rifles but that "Pirate" gun of yours sure is kewl Gunny ! Thanks for the Lantac review.
     
  20. GunnyUSMC

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    I built that rifle right after the Jack lower came out. There was a lot of noise on the forum about how bad it would look in court if someone ever used one in self defense. I guess they looked at it as the evilest of the evil AR 15s.
    I had my local dealer order it for me and I wanted it to me a fun build, and it was. When I built it, the cost to build a basic AR was around $400. I ended up spending right at $1000 to build it. But everything on it was high end parts. When it came to the brake I felt that the Dragon was the right choice.
    I love shooting the rifle, but I do use plugs and earmuffs when shooting it.
     
  21. Bwana John

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    While I never noticed any difference between the StG 58 flash suppressor and the Belgian Short Combo Device I have noticed a big difference between the StG 58 strait stock and the humpback type in perceived recoil, the strait Austrian smacks me a little more.....

    BUT.... The Austrian StG 58 muzzle device has a wire cutting feature going for it!
     
  22. RevolvingGarbage

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    I can’t see myself shelling out cash for any muzzle attachment for an AR that isn’t an actual supressor. The classic AR birdcage does everything well enough exactly as it is.

    For my AK pistol, a supressor would still be the superior choice but until I can afford to drop the cash on a Dead Air Wolverine I’ll be sticking with the AK-74 style muzzle brake. It does nothing to abate the earth shattering kaboom that this gun produces, and the light show is pretty spectacular as well however the muzzle rise is brought down to basically zero.

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  23. Skylerbone

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    As my daughters illustrate, muzzle flash is relative. Shooting outdoors, a linear comp is most certainly more pleasant than bare muzzle.



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    I just slapped another KAK Flash Can on yet another build...AR9 pistol.
     
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    Can of good quality inconel. Done. Everything else is crap that just makes it louder for the shooter. Damn tinnitus.
     
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