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Muzzlebrakes....?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by deerhunter61, Dec 30, 2008.

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  1. deerhunter61

    deerhunter61 Member

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    I was wondering how many of you use muzzlebrakes on your rifles?

    If you use them what calibers do you have them on?

    How much did it reduce the recoil?

    If you do not have one on a hard hitting rifle why not?

    If you do would you have one placed on the same rifle again?

    I own a 7Mag, 300Mag and a 280 mountain rifle that kicks every bit as hard as the first two.

    How much did it cost you to have one installed?

    Did any of you have accuracy issues with your rifle after you installed one on your rifle?

    Thanks,
     
  2. Kingcreek

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    I have one on an M1a bush rifle. recoil wasn't bad to begin with but it changed the recoil considerably. also made it VERY LOUD.
     
  3. stubbicatt

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    The last time I answered a thread like this, I was surprised to learn how many men feel that a brake is sissy. I don't know about that.

    I have one on my PTR91, which is chambered in 308, and would say that it reduces perceived recoil some, but most importantly, the muzzle is more stable for quick followup shots. I bought it for that 3 gun game, but haven't shot that game in a long while. Most competitors in that game have brakes even on 223 rifles for the same reason.

    I have not noticed any change in accuracy, but then this rifle is not known to be a tack driver anyways.

    The brake I purchased from JPRifles dot com, I think it was $100. It was an easy install, as the muzzle was already threaded for a flash hider.

    I don't see any particular need for the super magnum rifles myself, but if I had one of the rifles you mentioned, I would surely consider a muzzle brake as one of the first additions to the rifle.

    HTH.
     
  4. briansmithwins

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    A good brake will be loud as the gas that's redirected to control recoil and muzzle rise has to go somewhere. The shooter may not perceive that much of a noise increase but bystanders almost certainly will. Muzzle flash will also be increased.

    The only brake I currently own is a AK74 brake that's on my 7.62x39 rifle. The brake was overbored to work with the larger 7.62 bullet vs. the 5.45 that it was designed for. The AK74 brake reduces recoil by about 1/3rd by my completly non-scientific calibrated shoulder. It also gets me faster followup shots as it reduces muzzle rise. BSW

    AK74 brake exterior. Notice the 3 asymmetrical ports.
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    AK74 brake interior. Notice the zig-zag gas slits. Those work with the flange on the front to reduce recoil.

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  5. supercopjason

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    I put a brake on anything that will cause flinch shooting a box of shells. The 300 ultra mag begins to hurt a bit at the end of a box so i will brake it.

    I like to use fox river brakes and it drastically changes the recoil. On the 300 Ultra it tamed it down to about a 270. One of the companies i recommend is Gander mountain gunsmithing services for installing brakes.

    From gandermountain the brake and installation costs 140 the muzzle cap is 50 then add 50 and get a nice recessed crown on the rifle as well.

    Everything is your preference I dont look at someones gun and say anything but good (unless its a safety problem) because if they like the gun who am i to say its not good. If you like a brake then enjoy it if someone thinks its sissy let them enjoy the thought that they are more of a man.
     
  6. MMCSRET

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    I have had 2. On 35 Whelen and 338-06. I don't own any semi-autos or belted magnums, but I like them on the two that I have.
     
  7. deerhunter61

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    I am certainly not concerned with being viewed as a sissy.:) I am just to old to let something like that concern me...boy peer pressure exists even here? :D Surprise Surprise.

    The main concern I have is with the effect the blow back has on my ears and those of anyone standing near. Even with ear protection I have been around some of these that still hurt my ears. That is the ONLY reason I have not had one of these put on my rifles so far.

    I am really struggling with what to do here... The only reason I am considering it is due to degenerative disk disease in my neck and having seperated both shoulders multiple times I have simply become recoil sensitive to these rifles. The worst part is that all three shoot incredible. I have literally put three factory rounds into the same hole with my Browning BBR 7Mag. The remington BDL 300Mag shoots half inch groups at a hundred yards and the 280...well I have not shot it as much because I just bought it last year and once I realized how bad it kicks pretty much just put it up but I still have shot 3/4 inch groups at a hundred yards with it.

    As far as selling them...it is simply not an option on the 7Mag or the 300 Mag. I have had those two rifles for 23 years and I simply have become too attached to them. Perhaps I will have some grandsons to pass them on to? My hope anyway.

    Oh well....that is the story.
     
  8. Cover Dog

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    deerhunter61...I will answer the questions I can...

    If you use them what calibers do you have them on?

    I have an Answer Muzzle Brake on a Winchester Custon Shop stainless Mdl. 70 in 358 STA. Shooting a 250 gr. bullet I push it to 3060fps and 5300lbs. ft. of energy. Needless to say when you pull the trigger you know the gun goes off.


    How much did it reduce the recoil?

    Don't know. I sent the gun for the brake installation as soon as the gun arrived from Winchester. Back then they said it would cut recoil almost in half if used with their recoil pad. 375 H&H to a 7mm, 30-06 to a .243. etc.

    If you do would you have one placed on the same rifle again?

    Yes


    How much did it cost you to have one installed?

    It's been about 8 years but I think it was about $280 and that included their special recoil pad installed also.


    Did any of you have accuracy issues with your rifle after you installed one on your rifle?

    Again I can't say since it was installed before I ever shot the gun. I can tell you that I get .5 moa with 250gr. Nosler Partitions and .850 moa with Swift-A-Frames in the same weight.

    I always wear a Past recoil pad when doing range work with this gun. I don't care what others think of my manhood. If they want to be macho, I'll gladly load up the gun (remove the brake) and let them have a go at it.
     
  9. ArmedBear

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    I've shot someone's .300 Weatherby Magnum rifle with a brake. I have the same rifle in .30-06.

    From the bench, the .300 Wby with brake recoiled a good deal less than my .30-06 (150 grain cheap factory hunting loads) did without one, and ordinarily I wouldn't even try shooting a .300 Wby from the bench. Not my idea of fun.

    The brakes really do work.:)
     
  10. Envisaged

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    If you are shooting at a crowded range and the benches are close together - the people next to you will probably not like you. It is almost disrespectful IMHO.

    Do they reduce recoil - good brakes will help considerably. Our local range officers generally frown on them unless it is on a rifle that *needs* it(.338 and up). They generally say if you can't handle the recoil - get a different rifle.
     
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    I have a brake on my AR, to reduce muzzle climb when target shooting. It deos reduce recoil a bit, but starting with the 5.56......there isn't much to reduce. Makes a big difference in muzzle jump though.
     
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    Deerhunter61,I have muzzlebrakes on my Ruger #1 300WM and also on one of my 30/06 rifles. It reduces the recoil on both of them to that of a 243.
    I see you are in DFW,if you are wanting to get a muzzlebrake installed on your guns,contact Williamson Gunsmithing in Bedford,or Euless Guns in Euless and they can do a fine job installing one for you at a decent price.
    They will make your rifle "Loud as Hell" for anyone setting near you at a gun range,and you will have to always wear hearing protection,yes even when hunting,when firing a gun with a muzzlebrake.
     
  13. -v-

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    Any advantage that you can get is worth getting. The recoil junkies can go and shoot their TNT fueled cannons from the shoulder and then brag to each other of how many dislocated shoulders they've had this past week.
     
  14. HOLY DIVER

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    breaks help i don't have one on my deer rifle for the simple reason i don't need it on a 7mm-08 recoil is not bad now those deer hunters that think it takes a 50BMG to take a whitetail down yea you might need a break!
    not trying to highjack the thread but you guys gotta hear this.....i was in my local sporting good store the other day and a guy comes in starts talking to me tells me hez gonna start coyote hunting and hez there to buy a rifle...i said kool(in my mind i'm thinking this guy is gonna buy a 223 bolt gun kool)
    no no no no he buys a remington 700 in 7mm mag
    after he does the paper work he looks at me and says and i quote"this rifle is perfect huh"
    i allmost choked on the coke i was drinking and i said "yep that will work great"
     
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    Well, if you could translate a bit of that into english, i could laugh too:D:p
    (grammar that is)
     
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    i basicly have 2 rifles that have quiote a bit of recoil. one is a 300 win mag, the other is a 45/70. the 45/70, shooting modern high pressure loads, actually kicks worse than the 300 win mag. i had a muzzle brake installed on the 45/70 (marlin 1895 standard guide gun), it made a heck of a difference. the noise increase was not as bad as i had been lead to believe, at least out in the open woods. in an indoor/ or covered range, i am certain it would be quite loud. after i had the muzzle brake installed, i ended up buying a Limbsaver recoil pad. between the two of these, it makes shooting my 45/70 enjoyable, instead of punishing. of course, i am getting older, and comfort now is a premium. my 300 win mag, has a limbsaver on it, and for now, that is enough. the muzzle brake i had installed was a "GENTRY QUIET MUZZLE BRAKE" installed by Dick Williams gun shop in Saginaw Mi. it was around 200.00 installed and that included reinstalling the front sight. if you have a rifle that is beating you up, install a limbsaver first. if that does not do the trick, then have a muzzle brake installed.
     
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    gvnwst i'll make sure never to use text terms again that way you can understand
     
  18. dagger dog

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    Brakes may be loud and disrespective of the fellow shooting next to you, but here is a little input on that subject and it goes hand in hand with the sissy aspect of this thread.

    As soon as the fellow on the next bench pulled out his SUPER KEWL Barrett 50 BMG cal. boltie, that WAS equipped with a muzzle brake, about half the firing line came over to watch, and after 5 rounds which I guess was all he could afford, he proceeded to pack it up. Leaving me near total deaf for the rest of my day testing new reloads.

    I guess its not so sissy to have a muzzle brake, if you got a KEWL rifle, and if it is KEWL enough it's ok to take out a few eardrums.:cuss:

    So SISSY and KEWL are all relative .
    Also make sure you bring muffs and plugs to the range.:D
     
  19. Shawnee

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    Hi deerhunter61...


    Seems to me the primary issues are the degenerative disc and separated shoulder problems.... and the potential for hearng damage and rebellion from bystanders. The seriousness of the first two and their potential to get worse can be underestimated or ignored only by a fool.

    It's not unreasonable to think that your choice is really between shooting your current rifles for a couple more years and then being done with shooting (and other things) altogether... or ... retiring (not selling) your current rifles in favor of something less robust and being able to continue shooting (and other things) for a couple more decades.

    Personally, I would bet my reloading press that anyone who can shoot 1/2MOA with a .300 Winnie can probably do at least that well with a .24, .25, or .26 caliber, and they wouldn't need to waste any time feeling like a sissy because they weren't shooting something larger in diameter.

    Local opinion may vary... but it's your physical welfare and that makes your opinion the only one that counts.

    Good Luck !

    :cool:
     
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    With the exception of my 50BMG, the only other rifle I've ever had a brake on was a 30/378 Weatherby and it came with the brake from the factory. The Wby Accubrake is very effective but the blast is tremendous and much more of the noise is directed towards the shooter and near by. That was probably the main reason why I had the gun rebarreled without a brake. For me the blast and noise was just too much. I'd rather learn to live with the recoil, so that's what I did. There are other ways to cut down on recoil too, don't forget. A good pad like a limbsaver. Mercury recoil reducers. The shape of the stock. etc. Things less permanent than porting a barrel or threading on a brake.

    While I think it's a harsh statement (someone else said it, not me) I believe that I probably side with the "If you can't shoot it without a brake, you should probably be shooting a smaller gun" clan. Shoulder problems and 50BMG's excluded from that statement of course. :)
     
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    A brake can't really hurt, and can only help. Lower recoil, less muzzle jump, and more accuracy in some cases. It's a very nice thing to have with some calibers like 7.62x54R and more powerful.
     
  22. Pokyman

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    I have installed muzzlebrakes on practically every common hunting round you can think of. Without question the brake tames recoil. The larger the case capacity of the cartridge being used, the more the recoil is reduced. 300 RUM, 300 Win mag. will recoil about like a 270. 270 will kick about like a 243, 243 about like a 22-250, 22-250 about like a 17 REM..
    On the big capacity cartridges, approximately 40% reduction.
    I once put a muzzle brake on a 22-250. I was more than a little puzzled as to why this person wanted a brake on a 22-250. His reply was so he could see his hits, because he hunted by himself and could not see if he was hitting varmints or not. At that time I did not believe a brake would tame a rifle that much. I went and tested the rifle myself. When the rifle fired, sure enough, you could see the bullet strike. About all that happened was the cross hairs of the scope wiggled a little bit.
    I have heard that there are brands of muzzlebrakes that advertise they are not as loud as other brakes. As of yet, I have not found a brand of brake that was not loud.
    I have found that a brake causes a rifle to lose accuracy nor heard of anyone saying that a brake will adversely affect accuracy.
     
  23. Pokyman

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    Last sentence of my message should read I have not found that a brake caused a rifle to lose accuracy nor heard of anyone saying that a brake will adversely affect accuracy.
     
  24. .38 Special

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    I find the additional volume at least as detrimental to my shooting as the recoil problem it was intended to solve.

    I have heard -- but cannot prove -- that brakes can be so loud that even commonly available ear protection cannot make it "safe".
     
  25. atvalaska

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    go with the brake +...!

    get the muzzle brake + a "cap" that u can screw on AFTER u finish at the range! hunting u "never feel the recoil"...i 2 have a 22-250 w/ a brake as i like to see their faces when 4200 fps of 40 gr molys greet them :) brench rest shooters all over the place trust stan jackson of alaska to do them rite! tls fbks ak
     
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