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my 10/22's accuracy

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by colt.45, Mar 8, 2006.

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  1. colt.45

    colt.45 Member

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    what kind of accuracy are you guys getting out of your stock 10/22? mine has ben getting 4moa sinse i got it but i dont think it should be that inaccurate. some jackass did knock it off the rack once at the range:fire::cuss: but i dont think thats the cause of it.

    ive had it for a while and love it but i think it should be more accurate
     
  2. 30-06 lover

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    Most 10/22s only shoot about one inch to 1.5" at 50 yards. You have to find the load your barrel likes. Buy a bunch of 22 loads in different weights, designs (solid, HP, semi-wadcutter), and manufacturer. If you still have the barrel band on it, remove it and see how the gun shoots. the band can put a presure point on the barrel that can ruin the accuracy. It has been my experience that most barrels shoot CCI Mini-Mags well, including my own.
     
  3. ID_shooting

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    Are you scoped?

    My 10/22, Stainless, but stock, gives right at 1 inch @ 100 with CCI velociters from a rest.
     
  4. colt.45

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    yes im scoped. ill try removing the barrel band and try some more ammo types.
     
  5. Grump

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    You will rarely get better than 2 MOA without going to match ammo. Bulk-pack is rotgut.

    1. Check your crown. Damage there can make even good ammo spray.

    2. What kinds of groups do you get with other guns? I have a lot more confidence in my test results after doing a check with a known ammo/rifle combo and confirming that *I* can still shoot it the same as before.

    3. How much wobble do you get from your scoped rig, when getting your 4 MOA accuracy? My last ammo test was in a bit of a rush and I could see a good 2-inch wobble zone. I called my shots and knew what shot was at 9 o'clock by that much (1 inch left of perfect) and what shot was off by 1/2-inch at 11 o'clock. The group printed 3 MOA, but I could also tell the ammo and rifle were really shooting closer to 2 MOA. Another load DID shoot 4 MOA and my match bullets shot 1.5 MOA, with my wobble area and shot calls showing only a 1-inch wobble zone by then.

    The sandbags and I settled in by then.
     
  6. colt.45

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    what do you mean by wobble?:scrutiny: scopes shouldnt wobble at all
     
  7. ChefGW

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    My 10/22 shoots best with Remington Golden Bullet bulk pack.

    Just try different ones and see what you get.

    I can keep all shots inside a dime at 50 yards. But I also have an aftermarket stock and barrel.
     
  8. Rob1035

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    mine, bone stock save for a VQ hammer will do ~1.5 at 25yds, with iron sights mind you, sitting. It will do ~1" if I use from and rear rests and try really really hard. This is perfectly acceptable for me. If I'm shooting at 100yds, I'll break out the .17HMR or .223 bolt guns, not an $150 .22lr semi...

    edit- those figures are with whatever 500-550 pack I happen to buy; again, if I'm spending more money for less ammo, i'll choose a different round
     
  9. colt.45

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    rob, why wouldnt you use a $150 22lr at 100 yards? do you think it wont reach or something :neener:

    and im not trying to insult you but, i wouldnt be fine wth 6moa groups at 25 yards with iron sights, infact you should never be fine with any groups you have because marksmanship isnt a goal its a journey. theres always something you can improve on. again im not trying to insult you, only help

    sorry if i did offend you but it seems like you have kind of a "im not as good as i want to be so im not going to work my ass off to get better" kind of attitude
     
  10. Rob1035

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    No offense taken. I dont really use it for shooting groups, mainly plinking, steel spinners and the like, and for that its plenty accurate and a lot of fun. Could it do better than that? I'm sure. Could I? Most definitely, I'm trying to learn every time I shoot, but that doesn't mean I'm going to focus on Xmoa @ Y range , more like "I can hit the small spinner every time with decent speed" and I have a great time doing that (or trying). When (if?) I get over the grin factor of just plinking with this thing, then I might try to see what it does, but for now I'm happy.

    fair enough?
     
  11. Don't Tread On Me

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    Uhh...


    4moa is about right for a 10/22. You can shrink this down a little bit with top-quality match ammo. It will NEVER be a 1 to or 1.5 moa gun. People make claims, but that's what they are - claims. Go to rimfirecentral and read the thousands of threads on this very topic. On average (not that couple few miracle groups), it will be 4moa. Smallest groups don't count. Average groups count. People tend to shoot a small group and say "see, this is what it CAN do"...can do is different from what it WILL do everytime.


    #1 accuracy upgrade is a new barrel. Ruger barrels are extremely cheap, mass produced barrels. They also have sloppy chambers to feed most ammunition. Virtually any upgrade barrel will cut group size in half, it not more. Never used, take-off Ruger factory barrels sell for $30. Match barrels $100 and up.
     
  12. Topgun

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    I have a very early one in the 35,000 serial range. It is SUPERBLY accurate. I put my old BalVar 8 on it with a mount milled from a M-88 Win B&L scope mount.
    It also has great figure in the WALNUT stock.

    Them old ones is purdy great.

    Can skip shotgun shells out to 75-85 yards or so.

    :)
     
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    any ruger that shoots 1.5 moa or better, is the exception, not the rule. that is a fact.
     
  14. BamBam-31

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    Agree on the barrel upgrade. Look into the Green Mountain barrels. I bought mine for about $70, and I can shoot dime-sized 5-shot groups at 50 yds. consistently. Very easy to change yourself, too.

    Upgrading Rugers is half the fun. ;)
     
  15. Rob1035

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    One man's results with the stock barrel, although the usual "it might do it once..." qualifiers apply.

    [​IMG]

    FWIW
     
  16. JohnKSa

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    While the out of the box 10/22 rifles aren't that accurate, they can be with very little work. I've never had one that wouldn't shoot under an inch at 50 yards after the following procedure.

    1. Remove the barrel band.
    2. Put a small felt self-adhesive pad in the very front of the barrel channel.
    3. Bed the back of the receiver.

    I hate barrel bands, so I take them off whenever I can do so.

    The felt pad in the barrel channel helps dampen barrel vibrations and keep things more consistent--I got this tip from a fellow who makes and sells custom rimfire rifles often based on 10/22 actions. He said in his experience that this usually gave better results than free-floating in rimfire rifles.

    Bedding the back of the receiver keeps the barrelled action from swinging on the stock screw. There's a lot of space in that stock and without the barrel band there's nothing to keep the screw from turning into a pivot. You know, you might be able to get the same effect without doing the bedding by leaving the barrel band in place and putting the felt pad in the barrel channel directly under the barrel band. I don't know cause I never tried that--since I hate barrel bands. :D

    I usually do a bit of work on the trigger too... The newer ones are pretty stiff.
     
  17. Don't Tread On Me

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    I have a modified 10/22. It is a tackdriver right now. Before, with its stock barrel, good scope, resting, and of course my shooting skills ( :eek: ) I would make groups around an inch @ 50 yards at best. With junk bulk back, I could do 3/8" at 25 yards at best. But this wasn't consistent - most were worse, and that works out to more than 1 or 1.5 moa.

    If you have a 1 or 1.5 moa consistent stock 10/22 - you are part of the very small minority. Probably less than 1% of all 10/22's. That might be generous. Keep that rifle and cherish it. People spend upwards of $400 to get that kind of accuracy out of 10/22. Others give up on the .22LR entirely and go to the .17hmr for a cheap MOA gun.
     
  18. db_tanker

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    My 10/22 is just perfect.

    Stock barrel, Hogue stock, Tasco 3-9 scope and a handfull of Butler Creek 25's with a mag loader and your set for a solid half day of "Minute of Can" fun at 50-75 yards.


    If I want somthing to make holes with very little space between, then I grab up one of my other long-arms...or go with my 17 hummer.

    D
     
  19. dfaugh

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    You WON'T find the words "accuracy" and "10/22" used in the same sentence, very often (unless its been modified)

    You WILL find the word "accuracy" and "Marlin Model 60" in the same sentence, VERY often.

    Let the flame wars begin:fire:
     
  20. loadedround

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    10/22 accuracy

    My unaltered 10-22 with a 4X scope with shoot 3/4" groups at 50 yds with the ammo it likes(Remington Std Vel Target).
     
  21. idahoemt

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    MOA?

    I apologize if this is blatantly obvious to everyone else, but what does MOA stand for? Being a newbie, I generally research unfamiliar acronyms myself rather than post a lot of "What does X mean?" questions, but I can't quite figure this one out. :confused:
     
  22. ArmedBear

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    Minute
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    Angle

    (Degrees Minutes Seconds from trigonometry)

    1 MOA is approximately 1" at 100 yards.

    And a 10/22 will shoot 1" groups at 50 yards with little difficulty.

    If someone dropped it, maybe the barrel is loose. The barrel is just pressed into the receiver and tightened with a set screw. If the scope is tight (and a good quality scope, NOT A BSA!!!) and everything else seems okay, consider the barrel.
     
  23. idahoemt

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    Thanks ArmedBear. No wonder I couldn't figure it out, trigonometry and I get along about as well blowtorches and ice cubes. ;)
     
  24. Odd Job

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    I tried one of the club's 10/22s the other day and somebody had messed up the scope so that it was shooting at least 15cm out. Groups looked reasonable so I did them a favour and set the scope back in. I regard myself as an average shot with a rifle so I am sure many here would do better (and it was at only 30 yards on an indoor range). This was my best group, ten shots:

    [​IMG]

    The group is 2cm edge-to-edge. The rifle is a standard 10/22 stainless and the ammo was a cheap box of Eley. This was benchrested (well, I didn't have any sandbags so I ended up resting just the 20-round mag on the desk). I'm pretty sure that with bags and a better scope I could do that at 50 yards too, or maybe even further. Of course there were groups that were not as tight, but they were all respectable, typically within an inch.
     
  25. Davo

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    If you want a bit of an improvment in accurracy, you can add a VQ hammer that will lighten the pull to about 3 lbs...you can get this part for as little as 30 bucks. It will make off hand shooting much easier. If you are using a cheap scope and mounts, make sure they arer tight, and give them time to settle in. Use good ammo when really shooting for groups. 3 moa is really about all a small game/plinking rifle needs to be.
     
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