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My "anti" boss said no to an offer of range time

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by geegee, Sep 17, 2003.

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  1. geegee

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    My boss is actually a good friend. We worked together for a number of years, but now I report to him. At first glance it would seem obvious that we have little in common. He thinks I'm a "Right wing, born again, gun toting, knife obsessed" kook. I guess I'd describe him as a "California liberal, vegetarian, left wing, ant-gunner." But our differences notwithstanding, we've always had a mutual respect for each other and I do think highly of him.

    He's traveling with me in my region this week, and I had planned on taking him shooting today over at the Bass Pro Shop, at Grapevine Mills. I figured after we could have dinner at Big Buck's, next door (plus he's staying at the Embassy Suites right next door to Big Buck's). This morning I packed up a Ruger .22, my Browning Hi Power, and my Wilson Millenium Protector, plus my range bag.

    After our last appointment, I headed to the range. On the way I told him he really needed to unwind a little and have some fun (he sleeps a few hours a night and has a work ethic that leaves most people in the dust). I then told him my plan as we got nearer, and he refused! :( Here's the killer part. He said that shooting a gun is just one of those things he decided long ago never to do, and in fact was pleased that he's never broken a promise to his kids to ever shoot a gun or do drugs! :what:

    I said, yeah well I really don't think drug use and shooting a gun are exactly analogous. After a second he admitted that, no that was probably a poor analogy (I'm thinking to myself "Yeah it's flat out ridiculous, and while you now know how stupid it sounds, I bet you still believe it.").

    So I dropped him off at the hotel, and that was it. I'll be picking him up for dinner in about 30 minutes, and I'm sure it will be a little strained, but ok. More than anything, I really feel sorry for a guy who actually believes all the hysteria and hype that the anti's promote. This guy has an IQ in the genius range, but really buys the anti argument hook, line, and sinker. If this attitude doesn't define what a hoplophobe is, then I don't know what does. geegee
     
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  2. OEF_VET

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    Intelligence doesn't equal common sense.
     
  3. Justin

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    That's really a bummer, but you can't win them all. I had a similar situation with a friend of mine who, though an extremely cool person, just couldn't get with the idea of going to the range.

    Sometimes it happens. Despite the fact that almost everyone who goes to the range for the first time has fun, some just simply won't go. I'd say mention it once more as an open invitation, in case he ever changes his mind, and drop the topic.

    Don't worry, there's no shortage of fence-sitters out there.
     
  4. jsalcedo

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    Kind of sad.

    Some of the vehement anti's I've known were excited about going shooting. It was like they were looking at their first playboy magazine.

    At least this guy has principles even though misguided.

    You might be able to work on him, start off with blowgun, bow or
    sling shot. Its a good way to make the transition.
     
  5. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    If you're going to eat at Big Bucks, I'd go ahead and head to the range after dessert anyway. Maybe he can look at the Earth Shoes and have a bottle of water while he's waiting for you while relaxing at the range with your Wilson. I bet even the fishing stuff escapes his interest.


    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
  6. Standing Wolf

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  7. Hot brass

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    My boss is one SMART sob. But hates guns. Was in the service. In a meeting stated that a neighbor had a "CCW" permit, his eyes were BIG as he stated this. Said the guy OWNS a gun to carry. I don`t know if I was scared or dumb founded at his remark. It was like only the rich should have a "CCW".
     
  8. C.R.Sam

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    I'm with Justin on this.
    Make sure he has an open invitation but don't push it.
    Not worth losing a friendship if you up against a rock.

    Sam
     
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    On the way to dinner take the long way thru a seed/rough part of town.Maybe you'll to see a beatin' or a muggin' or a rape in progress.
    Visual aids can be very persuasive.:evil:
     
  10. geegee

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    You know, the last time I had an intense discussion with an anti- co worker, I asked him if his wife of 9 months had a right to self defense (as we travel quite a bit on our jobs). His reply was "Well, no. Not with a gun." I said "Mike, I'm talking about your wife, if sombeody wants to kick in the back door when you're away...your wife! "
    "Well, uh...." Then after a full minute of silence (and him really thinking over the question): "Look, I don't want to argue about this!" I said very quietly "I don't think we're arguing about anything, but don't you think it's worth discussing?" End of discussion.

    I really do understand this. When someone confronts you with a view that challenges a long held belief. It rocks your world and forces you to re-think everything you had to that point accepted as a Gospel truth. And that ain't easy. geegee
     
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    After some scumbag steals the wife's heirloom silver while he's out of town she may just be the one that takes you up on your invitation!
     
  12. Ex-Doc

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    Too bad he didn't promise his mother not to have sex!:D
     
  13. hillbilly

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    You made an offer and got turned down.

    Don't push it. Let it lay.

    But realize this......even though you got told "no" you might have planted a seed which will bear fruit later.

    Don't push boss to go shooting, but don't hide the fact that you have fun shooting.

    Maybe six months from now, boss brings up the topic and asks you to take him shooting after all........


    hillbilly
     
  14. Brian Dale

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    Sounds like good advice about being straightforward about enjoying yourself, yet not being pushy.

    Once upon a time, when the situation (that I won't go into) in the area outside our workplace warranted it, a boss of mine lent me one of his Beretta 92s for a couple of night shifts (at a technical-gadget-operating job, not security or LE) while he carried another. Cool guy.

    I'm glad that your boss respects your character enough to listen.
     
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    Some people are educated beyond their intelligence!
     
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    That just totally sucks. Honestly, I would push it on him. Not "being" pushy, but people like that just get on my nerves, I'd keep on him until he sees the error of his ways. And eventually he would.
     
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    Win him over using "subliminal" messages...


    Decorate your desk with a trophy, medal, a picture with your son or something, advertising your involvement in a wholesome recreation - sport shooting. A good desktop image with a catchy phrase or two could do the trick. :)


    Best to lead him in by putting our best foot forward, not with the grim reality of crime, deterrence, threats...


    I've no doubt that realization will eventually dawn on him... eventually. ;)
     
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    What exactly does this guy think is gonna happen if he shoots a gun? I can understand a fear of drugs and a fear of addiction. But punching a hole in a piece of paper?

    Maybe you should run that Sigmund Freud quote by him. :(
     
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    I've known a number of really brilliant people who believe in some really weird stuff.
     
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    I shot a gun once, and now I'm addicted. The man's concerns in that regard may be legitimate. :D
     
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    :D :D Funny you should mention that, marvl! I gave him that exact quote about 4 hours earlier in the day! At the time, I guess I didn't know he'd probably be mulling that one over while we were driving. Hee hee heee...geegee
     
  22. El Tejon

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    Leave it at a standing invitation and don't labor the point.

    Maybe you need to slip him some Texification vitamins?:D
     
  23. Majic

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    You have made the offer and he turned it down qualifying it with an explanation. Leave the subject alone. Remember he has his rights to his opinions and feelings just as you. If you really want someone to respect your rights, you have to respect theirs.
     
  24. Double Naught Spy

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    Note that geegee's boss has not restricted geegee in any manner in regard to guns (or I am sure he would have told us). So the guy may not be pro-gun, but he isn't dictating his beliefs to geegee. Not liking guns does not mean he does not have common sense. It is just his belief.

    And what better person for geegee to have accompanying him in his travels than a fully mobile personal barricade. Why sacrifice a perfectly good pro-gun person when an anti will do?
     
  25. brownie0486

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    The offer was made and there was a refusal to accept.

    The reason for the refusal is irrelevant. Respect his decision and move onto something both can find common ground in. If he is a friend, why take the chance trying to convert him will ruin the friendship or cause hard feelings.

    I throw offers to non-gun people all the time. Only a few have ever taken me up on the offer. A few more came back years or months later and stated they'd like to go the next time I was heading to the range.

    One of my neighbors had the offer from me 9 years ago. He never accpeted. One day thre months ago, he came over and asked me to take him the next time I went out to the range. He was thinking of getting a carry permit and wanted to try the revolvers and autos to see which he could handle better if he decided to carry.

    The guy now has his ccw and bought a revolver. He's on his own now and I feel I had a small part in his turn around. I did not push or ask again after the initial offer. Some people will say "sure" when offered, then always have a reason why other things take precedence when push comes to shove. I think they do not want to say no and be rude, but really do not want to go deep down.

    He knows you personally, you are friends, if he wants to experience it he'll let you know. It might even be considered rude and overbearing to push the idea on him again. You may not feel that way, but it is his feelings that are relevant and he may just feel you are pushing to ask again.

    Thats not the way to bring someone around to experiencing the joys of discharge.;)

    Brownie
     
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