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My AZ CCW dilemma

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BBQJOE, Feb 2, 2013.

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  1. BBQJOE

    BBQJOE Member

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    I have my permit.
    AZ no longer requires the permit to carry concealed.
    Whether to renew or not is my question.

    On the one side, it allows me to purchase firearms without going through the background BS.
    On the other side, even though it can really never be said, I feel comfortable with the arms I own, and don't foresee any purchases in the future.

    I have never needed to show it to any LEO's, but I believe if I ever do, it shows that I might be a more responsible gun owner than some others.

    Having a CCW puts me on someone's list somewhere, for whatever purpose.
    Then again, letting it lapse probably still keeps me on the list.

    If they ever to decide to repeal non-permitted carry, I'd hate to have to reapply for a permit.

    I suppose I ought to just keep it, huh?

    Edited to add: I forgot that it also gives me the right to carry in other states.
    Never mind, I'll just keep it.:D
     
  2. Arp32

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    Mine expires soon too, I plan to renew just to avoid the hassle of the background checks. Saved me at least 30 minutes of waiting at a recent gun show.

    Plus can't permit holders carry in restaurants that serve alcohol as long as we aren't drinking?
     
  3. BBQJOE

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    You know, that's a really good question.
    Since they passed no permit necessary to CCW, I don't recall it addressing the restaurant/bar issue as far as needing a permit or not.

    I'm pissed. I should know this.
     
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    I basically agree with all of the above. Carrying in a restaurant isn't an issue for me. But the ease of processing the 4473 makes it attractive to me (and the dealers like it as well) and the reciprocity helps me as I am often required to travel quite a bit. I try to avoid the occupied territories, but everywhere else, it is handy. Just renewed mine.
     
  6. BBQJOE

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    Well I knew that a permited ccw holder can be in an alcohol serving environment if they don't drink.
    The question this raised for me, is does a person have to have a ccw to carry in them, or can anyone now do it since ccw isn't needed to carry ccw.
     
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    Without a doubt I would renew....
    But what's all this talk of not having to go thru a background check? I live in FL and have to pay for the NICS even tho I have a CWP.
    Is the law different in AZ?
     
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    It also helps keep you out of trouble in the "gun free school zones".
     
  10. BBQJOE

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    When purchasing a firearm in AZ when presenting a ccw, no background check is done, just the usual forms.
     
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    https://www.ccwazschool.com/reason.html

     
  12. stogiegila

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    What Danez said.

    Enough said. :cool:
     
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    In Ohio If Police runs your vehicle tags ,It shows on their computers That You Carry,Thats a Good thing....
     
  14. BBQJOE

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    Thanks danez71.
    No question in my mind whatsoever now.:)
     
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    Those are the reasons I'm renewing mine.
     
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    As for carrying in a restaurant that serves booze: If you're drinking, best leave it.

    If not, carry.

    It's the same with driving; the next choice you make after alcohol may be your last.
     
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    Absolutely wrong. In Ohio, running the tags on the vehicle returns the name and address of the registered owner of the vehicle, and then they can use the name and address to determine if the registered owner of the vehicle has a concealed handgun license. That information means absolutely nothing until the officer determines that the registered owner of the vehicle is in the vehicle or not - and then, IF they are carrying a gun, they can use that information to cite the person, IF they are carrying a gun, for not informing the police officer if they can get the pen onto the paper before the person carrying the gun has a chance to notify.
     
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    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Guess what? You've just been inadvertently admitted to probable cause for search and seizure.
     
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    Wrong. A concealed weapons permit is nowhere mentioned in the National Park Law. The National Parks Law only removed the authorization of the Secretary of Interior to regulate firearms in National Parks. If it is legal to carry a firearm without a permit in a state outside the National Park, it is also legal to carry a firearm inside the National Park in that state without a permit because there can be no additional regulations inside the park other than the state laws.
     
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    Everyone should have an Arizona permit, even us folks in California. Although California refuses to recognize the permits from other states, having one for me is partly symbolic (a term our socialist's here like to use frequently). When in discussion with several elected officials about retirement, I have shown it to them, explaining that there is indeed hope at the end of my career, thus being in a "free" state, where I will be moving, and TAKING MY TAX DOLLARS WITH ME. They don't like to hear that, and have said so. Yes, there is satisfaction in causing that kind of irritation. Yea!
     
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    Yes... that info is 1/2 wrong... like being sorta pregnant ;)

    The blue part is right.... the red part in wrong. The author contradicted himself.


    I think it stems from this:

    http://www.nps.gov/grca/parkmgmt/upload/Firearms-in-IMRparks2-2010.pdf


    But in that same NPS pdf, the very 1st part says this:

    AZ doesnt require a permit to CC so in AZ portions of National Parks, no CWP is needed.
     
  22. Rio Laxas

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    I have a non-resident AZ CWP and I have renewed it since the passage of constitutional carry and will continue to do so. This may have changed, but the last time I was in Phoenix, there were signs at Phoenix Mountains park that prohibited carry for individuals without a CWP. I started a thread about it to see if those signs were still applicable and the consensus back then is that they are.
     
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    The part in blue is only partially correct as well (and, thus, partially incorrect). The word "concealed" nowhere appears in the National Park law either. ANY method of carry that is legal outside the National Park is also legal inside the National Park within the same state, which includes open carry as well as concealed carry in those states where open carry is legal.

    When this first came out, many people tried to make the subject a lot more complicated that it was. The law simply did away with any additional regulations that existed exclusively inside National Parks.
     
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    Please excuse my shiny tinfoil hat for a second...

    Another thought that occurred to me, is what if AZ isn't really being a good guy, allowing non-permited CCW, and is trying to lull those with permits to let them expire, so as to pass a no CCW law later that many wouldn't be able to fight because they have no permit?
     
  25. Arp32

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    I wouldn't worry about that chain of events. If that was the goal they'd just make the permits void, as well.

    Besides, we live in Arizona. Plenty of stupidity, but not in that direction.
     
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