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My Bank restricts the use of firearms within the building.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Aw4g63, Jun 20, 2009.

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  1. Aw4g63

    Aw4g63 Member

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    So I'm standing in line at the bank. I bank at a local credit union in the east suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. There's no sign on the door saying "No guns". However in line there is a sign that says:

    "We restrict the use of sunglasses, cellphones and firearms while in the bank."

    Do you think this means carry? Since it's not posted on the door I'm assuming I have every right to carry since I wouldn't be using my concealed weapon, just carrying it.

    Thoughts?

    Btw, I wanted to take a picture of the sign but I didn't want to break the rules by using my camera phone. lol
     
  2. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    You could always go back with a real camera.
     
  3. Aw4g63

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    I'll just take a picture next time I'm in there and it's busy. They're all very nice people that work there. They wouldn't even notice me taking the picture.
     
  4. ar10

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    It's private property, whether they post the "proper" sign or not they have the right to post a gun buster sign. You have the choice of not doing business with them.
     
  5. onlymeself

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    Why not just ask them I would. Credit unions have some funky rules, like if you have a loan with them and you break one of their rules they may be able to call the loan in.
     
  6. LSCurrier

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    Things sound confusing to me.

    I would take my account elsewhere.

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  7. B. Adams

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    So you can't carry your cellphone or sunglasses in the bank either?

    Seems like you just can't wear the sunglasses or talk on your cell phone, but you can carry your gun, just don't "use" it while in the bank.



    I know when I'm at the bank I'm always tempted to set up some steel plates or bowling pins and get some "use" out of my firearm, but then again, my bank doesn't have a sign like yours does. :D


    However, if signs like that have weight under Ohio law, you may want to ask for a clarification.
     
  8. riverrat373

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    Think about it! It's a BANK! Bank robbers wear sunglasses, can use cell phone cameras to take pictures and get the layout of the bank, and employees certainly would be suspicious of anyone with a weapon that was not a uniformed cop. Leave your firearm at home or lock it in a secure container in your vehicle when you need to do any banking.
     
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  9. vicdotcom

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    Worse they could do is ask you to leave, take off your glasses, turn off your cell etc. It is private property so they still have the right to run it as they see fit or refuse service to anyone who is not complying with their regulations.

    There is always the option not to bank there if you don't like the policies. Or open an account where the bank has a drive through window such as the ones here in FL. Of course my bank allows cell phones, but doesnt allow hats to be worn haha.

    Laws can also be different depending on state.
     
  10. docfubar

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    "We restrict the use of sunglasses, cellphones and firearms while in the bank."



    The word Use means to me you can have those items just not use them. Hey if someone trys to kill you and you use your firearm things have already gone to crap so who cares. The same with calling 911 on your cellphone.
     
  11. withdrawn34

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    Hmm. Yea. So I guess they'll ask you to leave if you're forced to defend yourself.

    I don't know about you, but I probably will be doing the rest of my banking business another day anyway if I am forced into a situation with a criminal or such anyway.
     
  12. B. Adams

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    Gas stations get robbed often as well, should I leave gun at home before I get gas?


    A bank is the same as any other business, no reason to disarm just because you're going into one. I don't recommend open carrying into a bank, or most other places, but if you're concealing it correctly nobody should know you've got it.
     
  13. atomd

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    It says that they restrict the "use" of them. So if you have your cell phone in your pocket, that's fine because you're not using it. I guess as long as you aren't firing your gun in there, that's fine too! :D

    I've seen a sign in a bank that said they wanted all their customers to remove their hats when inside the bank. I went in there 5 days a week for 6 years with a hat on every time and they didn't say anything. Usually it's the employees that make the call with that stuff. If someone is being a jerk on a cell phone while being helped, the teller can say something about the sign and it's not as confrontational...after all it's obviously the bank policy and not her personally singling out the customer. Man...those cell phone people are so annoying.
     
  14. NavyLCDR

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    Nope. I open carry at Navy Fed Credit Union in Oak Harbor, WA every time I go in there and have never been looked at twice by anyone.

    And, as stated above many times, they would not ask you to leave if you had sunglasses in your pocket or a cell phone in your pocket. The sign applies to the firearm in exactly the same way. Don't shoot anyone or anything in the bank and you have obeyed the sign.
     
  15. MedWheeler

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    That sign doesn't read the way you think it does. Like others posted, it restricts the "use", but says nothing about the "possession". No hunting, plinking, or displaying your gun, but the use of it to defend the life of you or another innocent probably does not fall within the restricted uses category.
    It probably was their intent to prohibit the carrying of firearms, though I doubt they actually think they can ban the possession of sunglasses and cellphones by customers. But, that's not what the sign says, so I wouldn't sweat it at all.
     
  16. Dokkalfar

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    "We restrict the use of sunglasses, cellphones and firearms while in the bank."

    well first of all, as stated above, the term 'use' in no way involves the word 'possession' here. Also, the term 'restrict' does not mean 'ban'. Your driving a car is restricted, but not in anyway outright banned. restrict merely means they have some rules/regulations regarding the use of those items. You would need to clarify with bank personnel (not a teller, talk to a manager or call into a corporate office) what those restrictions actually are.
     
  17. Frog48

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    I agree with the others that make a distinction between "use" and "possession". As long as you're abiding by the law, I wouldnt worry about it (IE carrying with a valid CHL, and a bank is not listed as a prohibited place in your particular state).
     
  18. stickhauler

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    You Did Read The Law Book Didn't You??

    It is a requirement of obtaining an Ohio Concealed Carry Permit. Here's a link to the law booklet:

    http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/prevention/pubs/2009_ccw_book.pdf

    top of the page, on page 17 lists the wording, under "Private Property And the Workplace." Seems pretty clear to me. I have yet to see a bank in Ohio that allows a concealed carry holder to carry their gun into their place of business, I also have yet to see a church where the prohibition isn't posted. I'd wager they also have the standard prohibition sign posted somewhere as well. My personal bank has the sign posted on the door entering their lobby.

    I'm pretty sure if I worked in a bank, and saw a person entering the place with a gun, it would set off the pucker factor pretty quick. Unreasonable? I don't think so, they usually get robbed by people with guns.
     
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    I find the humor in this sign. Just like a couple weeks ago when my truck broke down 20 yards from a sign the read MAINTAIN YOUR VEHICLE. But I tend to find humor in lots of things.
     
  20. stickhauler

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    There's No Shame....

    In having an off-beat sense of humor. I see signs every day coming out of a construction zone stating "Resume Legal Speed." Does that mean they assume we're running full tilt boogie through the construction zone? Or simply a poorly worded sign?
     
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    I've kept machineguns in a safe deposit box in Wisconsin for 10+ years. (long story, acquired the machineguns while living in Wisconsin and later moved to Illinois - where machineguns are prohibited for the average joe). I'd probably been going in and out of this bank for 3-4 years every other weekend or so to get the guns, go shoot, clean 'em, and put 'em back - all in a day or sometimes maybe a long weekend.

    One day when I was clanking and banging my way to the little SDB box room with a canvas bag full of machineguns the little old lady behind the counter says "Mr. Dan, we're all curious what you have in those bags that you're always carrying in and out of here." Long story short, we ended up having an impromptu machinegun display right there and there in the lobby of this tiny small town bank right on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. It's the running joke now that they think I'll jump out of the viewing room with a Thompson or M16 if I happen to be in there when they get robbed. I always laugh and tell 'em that they got more insurance than I do and I'm just gonna stay on the floor and cry while they get robbed.

    :D
     
  22. Deanimator

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    Then you haven't been to virtually EVERY bank in Rocky River, Ohio to include:

    Key Bank
    Huntington Bank
    Bank One
    US Bank (main branch and satellite branch in Giant Eagle food store)
    National City Bank
     
  23. jon_in_wv

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    I saw a sign in Alabama near a construction sight that read, "TRUCKS ENING HIWAY" ...............................

    If you don't read dummy that means, Trucks ENTERING Highway. I'm sure the guy who made it sounded it out though.
     
  24. ar10

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    I live in Cen. OH and there are places that have gun buster signs, some are in plain view and some not. Some may not have the perfect most up to date AG sign or even perfect wording. But no matter how you interpret it they do not want guns in their business. Sending letters, protesting, or any other form of argument is not the way for CC carriers to act. In fact it does more harm that good.
    We go to a lot of different stores and restaurants. If I see any sign stating they don't want guns on their property, I respect that and disarm.
     
  25. Aw4g63

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    I've read the book three times over, I do each time it's revised. I'm guessing you didn't read my post.

    There is NOT a no guns sign on the door.

    There is a no "use" of gun sign in the bank at the teller stand.

    To "use" of Sunglasses, Phones or Guns. Not possession. There is no gun buster sign posted.



    I think this post went over a few peoples heads.
     
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