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my bow setup... help

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by EatBugs, Jun 18, 2009.

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  1. EatBugs

    EatBugs Member

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    So.... I'm buying a bow here in a few weeks... a Mathews Mustang most likely ...
    I plan on carbon arrows but have run up against a wall on the best broadhead to get.

    My bowhunting friend uses those expanding broadheads and swears by them... My father uses the chisel tips and pooh poohs the expanding ones

    I'm really leaning toward the expanding ones myself. alot of info out there but nothing really saying get this kind.....

    btw... hunting whitetails with it
     
  2. shaggy430

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    Muzzy 3 Blade 100 grains. I've shot multiple deer with the same head (changed blades after each deer). There's a reason why they are called "Bad to the Bone." Very accurate out of my Bowtech. Look up the reviews on Cabelas if you don't want to take my word for it.

    IMHO, you could go with an expandable and it could open 95% of the time, but do you want to take a chance on the 5%?
     
  3. EatBugs

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    oh.. I'm sure I will learn this from someone at somepoint before going out on bowhunt for first time... but what kind of penetration can you get into the shoulder. I know of lost deer from the arrow getting stuck on the leg bone or something... Can an arrow get through a shoulder blade....where should I avoid on a deer with a bow(besides the obvious gut and back end area)? where do u aim when a deer is quartering to you?

    Always using a gun in the past I've never had to consider these situations....
     
  4. shaggy430

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    Let me clarify myself... you don't want to shoot one in the shoulder. Also, quartering towards shots are a no-no. However, this is real life and sometimes shoulder shots happen. A Muzzy or cut-on-contact head will be your best bet in a situation where that does happen.

    As far as where to aim and where exactly the shoulder blade is, this page has some pretty good diagrams.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...zOHaDA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image

    My best advice is to get a lifesize target and practice, practice, and practice some more.
     
  5. MCgunner

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    A 100 grain 3 blade shoots a good bit lower for me than a 125 grain field tip. I'm looking for something that'll shoot the same as field tips, but I don't trust the expanding blades. I'm thinkin' maybe picking up some 2 blade 75 grain broadheads and trying them.
     
  6. shaggy430

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    MCgunner, 2 blades out of a modern compound have a tendency to plane in my experience. I shoot 2 blades out of my recurve, but it shoots 100fps slower than my compound. Try shooting a 3 blade 75 grain. After all, 75 grains is 75 grains.
     
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    Thanks. I'll look into 3 blade 75 grainers. I was just figuring maybe the extra blade was causing some extra drag.
     
  8. Castrolr1

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    avoid anything mechanical for your broadhead.. hunting is hard enough
     
  9. T.R.

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    Contact the bow manufacturer and ask what they recommend.

    I bow hunt with a crossbow by Ten Point. One phone call saved me from wasting hard earned money on carbon arrows and mechanical broadheads.

    Ted Nugent has killed more big game with archery gear than all of us combined. He only uses fixed blade broadheads. This is wisdom that can not be ignored. His website has more details.

    TR
     
  10. 6x6pinz

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    Currently using the Muzzy 3 blade 100gr but have been looking at the 4 blade. I use a Martin Cougar Fusion 2000 set at 320fps and ICS400 carbon arrows. The Elk we took this year was hit a little back but the Muzzy 3 blade cut up the insides enough to stop him at 135yds from point of impact. Sadly had to turn down a couple of 40yd shots as they were standing facing me, just way too much bone for my comfort.
    As has been mentioned being able to change blades is nice and helps keep things sharp.
     
  11. blackops

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    Get the Rage broadheads with two blades. In my opinion they are the best broadheads on the planet. Honestly Mathews has great bows. I go with BowTech, but thats just me. You can't go wrong with either. Rage though, get them, you will not regret it!
     
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    I've always used Muzzy 3 blade, currently using 100gr with a Bowtech Guardian.

    Use the same weight field tips as your broadheads for practice.
     
  13. MCgunner

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    That just doesn't seem to work. Must be the added drag of the blades (think of it as a lower BC), but a 100 grain 3 blade broadhead shoots considerably lower for me than a 125 grain field tip.
     
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    I've bowhunted for 25 years and killed something well over 50 deer. I have tried a lot of different equipment over the years and I use the muzzy 3-blade 100gr broadheads and carbon arrows with my compound bow. I dislike mechanical broadheads. Mathews makes excellent bows.
     
  15. EatBugs

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    Thanks for all the info but I'm still undecided....
    http://www.ragebroadheads.com/Products40KE.aspx The rage has mechanicals meant for the lower weight and smaller draw length shooter...aka me... last time I was in bow shop I pulled back 43lb on a Mathews... I'm still working on developing those muscles at the gym....
    but everyone seems to like the muzzys.. and isn't the muzzy what Tiffany Lakoskey uses?
    I think this will take me awile
     
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    I'll be another to speak for the Muzzy 100g 3 blades. I've killed a lot of deer with them in the past using my old Jennings bow. I've since stepped up to the PSE x-force and my open mind has drivin me to try the rage 3 blade. I'll give you a review on the on Sept 8 of 09. haha

    a lot of stuff works if you hit him in the right spot. remember that.
     
  17. bejay

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    I would stick with a fixed blade also muzzy is good I also like wasp, rocky mtn there is alot of brands that are well made and should do the job.
    muzzy makes the practice blades for some of their broadheads to practice with instead of a field tip but it is a pain to get out of most targets.
     
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    Anything muzzy or thunderheads wouldn't touch the mech ones myself!
     
  19. Sunray

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    There are as many broad head styles as there are rifle bullets. Each one being the best thing since sliced bread. None of 'em make a lick of difference if you can't hit the target.
    Do not buy a bow of a draw weight that is more than you can easily lift that weight. IE. If lifting 50 pounds is too much, you won't be able to shoot a bow of that draw weight without hurting yourself. Even a compound.
    Shooting any bow uses muscles that get used for little else. Back and upper shoulders mostly. Do some upper body exercise. Practice(push the bow away as you pull the string while raising the bow to eye level) until you can hit a 9" pie plate at 10 yards, every time, then move out to 20 and repeat. Do not try to shoot all day right away. Work up to it.
    "...100 grain 3 blade shoots a good bit lower for me than a 125 grain field tip..." It would. Physics. Thunderhead makes a 125 grain 3 blade broad head.
     
  20. MCgunner

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    Exercise? I just shoot daily, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, and I've gotten a lot stronger. Okay, I'm a big guy and 60 lbs is easy to lift, but when I first took the bow back up a few months ago, I was SO sore. ROFL! I just kept shooting and got used to it again. I don't think I had to build a lot of muscle, though, just use the ones I have and get over the soreness. If you're strength challenged, some sort of work out might be a good idea.

    I have a little 35 lb recurve to practice with. You might get a smaller practice bow to work up to the compound, maybe. I had an old 45 lb recurve, but it broke.
     
  21. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Mechanicals are nice in theory but often fail in reality.

    For them to open up, they have to be clean. Ever stuck your arrow into the mud while walking along hunting? I have many times. The dirt gets into the expandables and they won't work! Also, if you hit a hard bone, they may not open up. I now prefer fixed blades as a result. Either Muzzys or Eastman First Cut or Stingers, among others. Pretty much any broadhead will work fine, provided it's a fixed blade.

    Muzzys are great because they are cheap and they have the un-sharpened practice blades which you can shoot into your broadhead target to test point of impact. Muzzys will also penetrate bone or a large animal very well, so they are preferred for elk and similar, whereas a chisel point like that is not really necessary for deer.
     
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    You are going to hear 10 different theories regrading what broadheads are best. In reality, almost all are made well enough to complete the job. I have seen wounds by mechanical broadheads which were unbelievably devastating and fixed muzzy's that have penetrated bone easily.

    SHOT PLACEMENT is key.

    A deer shot properly with crappy broadheads and a 40# draw weight will easily go down.

    You really cant go wrong in choosing fixed or mechanical,. Juts pick a main manufacturer and make sure you know how your arrows will fly with that head on.
     
  23. 61chalk

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    In the late 80's started with 3 blade Rocky Mt. Then for some reason got sold on 100gr. 4 blade Muzzy....with my Hoyt, that chisel end muzzy busts right through the shoulder blade..I don't aim for it, but have hit it an at 70lbs. it does bust through...and you just file the chisel, put new blades on...good to go again.
     
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    You don't need to go to the gym to draw your string. Just shoot your bow, then shoot your bow, then shoot your bow, etc. This will develop the specific muscles your going to use when you draw. I'm not saying don't go to the gym, but shooting your bow as much as possible will give you faster and better results as well as improve your accuracy at the same time. When I first got my BowTech I had it set to 50lbs. After two months I had it set to 70lbs and haven't changed it since. Shoot....shoot.....shoot.
     
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    The mechanicals will fly more like a field point. If you bow isn't tuned properly, the fixed blades can affect arrow flight. Whatever broadheads you use, make sure and shoot them at a target.

    Regarding your strength pulling; most of it is learning how to draw the bow properly. Your back muscles are much stronger than your arms.
     
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