My CCW was outed today...

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Not only that buy publishing names also exposes their home to burglry......when a perp is looking for a gun...

Everyone one who's name is posted should show up at the newspaper business or hire a detective to find out and publish their names. So the when the Journalist is out on a story a perp will know when 'their' house is empty..............
 
I gladfully can report that the number of people who read newspapers is in consistent decline. What is your stance on open carry? I understand the 2 are really separate issues and I can understand your outrage over a bored, irresponsible journalist figuratively twiddling his thumbs over an issue that is bigger than he/she ever will be, but I'm wondering how the really staunch pro OC people feel about things like this.
 
Last year in Johnson County Iowa (Iowa City area) they published the list of CCW holders. I never heard of anyone's house being broke into due to that, but there is that possibility.
 
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can't believe the local paper would out anyone, much less EVERYONE, in the county
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I believe it. Most newspapers are so far to the left in their view of firearms that it comes as no surprise.

Journalism schools need a class on thinking two steps ahead.
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There are many journalists that care about nothing but the "story". If it hurts an innocent, who cares.
 
Having run into similar situations in a different context, I would suggest the following:

1. Obtain copies of the fish wrap and make a list of local advertisers. Pick some vulnerable ones such as car dealers where business is slow. Then get as many people as you can to send each a snail-mail, fax or e-mail stating what happened, and because of they’re continued support of the paper through advertising you will not buy any product or service from them.

A handful of letters may or may not matter, but if the get very many they’ll sit up and take notice. They spend money to attract business, not lose it – and they don’t want to antagonize potential customers when they don’t have a dog in this particular fight. Without question the newspaper staff will soon hear of their ire.

Newspapers live on advertising revenue, not the little they make from subscriptions or newsstand sales. When they learn you are taking your case to advertisers they will be the ones that get worried.

As it stands they have offended over 600 license holders, and probably additional gun owners to boot. In this group there are also some influential community leaders who can also make the paper’s staff miserable in one way or another.

When dealing with the media, always hit ‘um where it hurts.

2. A few letters to the sheriff, explaining that some 600-plus CCL holders will be remembering the close cooperation the department gave the newspaper will be remembered the next time he/she comes up for reelection, and that the list of names published in the newspaper will make an excellent basis for a mailing list database for any opponent running for that office will also make a point.
 
Sue them. If that jackass reporter did that to me, I'd be the new owner of the paper by the time I got done.

Fortunately, I live in Texas where that information is not available.
 
i once incited a massive argument with some friends in college when i said flat out that journalism was despicable. they were all journalism majors, of course. it became a rather pedantic argument, and i was still a bit naive on certain topics at the time, but this thread is reminding how right i was on that one.

i would strongly encourage the OP to follow any and all of the (legal) suggestions in this thread. some positive steps would be:

1. contact your state representatives about this. point out that some states have acted to make this information confidential.
2. make sure your local and/or state pro-2A groups are aware of this. they can help you get more people involved in the fight.
3. contact the paper's advertisers, and get others to do the same. if they get enough pressure from potential customers, they will take this up with the paper themselves.
4. i think it really might be a good idea to publish the information of this journalist so that she can see what it's like. it might give pause to the next person who thinks this is a bright idea.
 
Well, thumb your noses at them I say... This could be a launching platform to lobby for statewide "Shall-Issue" reform... Make lemon-aide!!
 
How dare you? The Sheriff was working to protect his people. Those guys put their lives on the line to protect you and his judgment is far superior to yours. That CCW makes you a person of interest and people need to know to watch out for you. COP BASHER!
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:what::what::what::barf:


How in the h*ll do I end up being a person of interest for having a CCW? I have subjected myself to a Federal background check and I have allowed myself to be finger printed. I passed the background check with fluing colors. If I was a "person of interest", I would never have subjected myself to this. Unbelievable!!!!

And the police do not put their lives on the line to protect me. They put their lives on the line to enforce the law.
 
How easy would it be for someone local to post from open source information the following about the author Heidi Walters:

Home address, children and other family member names, cars owned or registrered. Other property owned. etc. This info should be easy to get from someone that knows a little bit about Ms Walters.

It could be done out of "curiosity", or just plain "nosiness", as the article itself explained the reason for posting the names of CCW holders.

Rob
 
There are a lot of good points being made about why some people carry, but the article says
Interestingly, it turns out that none of the people we picked to interview have ever had to pull their gun on an attacker. And, actually, none of them had ever been attacked, by animal or human, prior to getting their permit either.
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These aren't victims of previous crimes living in fear. These are law abiding citizens who want to be prepared in case they need a weapon.
But each said they'd willingly use their gun to save themselves or someone else. Which brings us back to what distinguishes the gun-packing folks from the non-gun-packing ones. At some point, the CCWers had to come to the sharp realization that there may come a time when they actually pull out that gun and kill someone.

"I'd do it in a heartbeat," is how one guy put it. Mary McCay -- who has had a CCW permit for 10 years, and whose late husband, E. Dale McCay, was in the gun-selling and training business with Al Koog -- put it another way: "Well, I'm 88 years old, and I don't play games."

So don't mess with these people.
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I'm really disturbed by this last line in the article. It implies the CCW folks are looking for fight and that it's normally OK to "mess with" people. Just not THESE people.
 
There are several things you can do.

1st: Cancel your subscription to the newspaper and tell the manager and owner why.

2nd: Find a new candidate for sheriff and help him defeat the one in office now. Let everyone know why. The current sheriff has no regard for you personal safety. Even if a FOI request was valid, he could have notified permit holders and given you a chance to file a motion for an injunction to prevent the release of records on the grounds of personal safety of the permit holders.

3rd: Cancel all advertisement and encourage the businesses you trade with to do the same. If the newspaper complains tell them "when you fire MS. I DON"T CARE ABOUT PERMIT HOLDERS SAFETY and her editor , we will return." Her editor it the real culprit here, he is supposed to monitor and question things like this.

4th: Lobby the legislature to change the law and seal CCW Permit Records for safety/privacy.

5th: If anyone is accosted or broken into, sue the newspaper for negligence and endangering the person.
 
Under the same Freedom of information. Get any and all information about her Post it everywhere. Even rent a bill board and post it there. For about $50.00
you can get a total report about her.
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Please please someone do this! I'll donate to the cause!
 
I don't see a problem with this. Would I rather them not be able to get this information, sure. But I could care less if they ran my name in the paper every day with a list of the others with permits. Heck, give them my address while their at it. No one has a target on their back because of this. If nothing else, people get to see that there are a lot of responsible people who carry guns.

If we did live in a society that sought out those with permits to kill them, bring it. I just bought another 4000 rounds just last night. I think they would have a fun time getting past my front door.
 
Imagine this happening in California...har,har. Perhaps the author will some day need the help of a person who legally carries a concealed gun and not get it.
 
Sometimes permits are obtained by someone (usually a woman) that is hiding from an abusive or theatning ex-boyfrind, former husband or stalker. Anything that might lead to the discovery of their present location could represent a lethal threat.

Perhaps another example is someone who is working for an anti-gun employer, who upon discovering the employee has a license finds a way to fire him or her.

I know of a case where following the exposure of a Father having a permit, his 9-year-old son suddenly found himself unwelcome at several friends homes, for reasons he couldn't understand.

The usual reason newspapers publish these lists is to discourage people from obtaining permits or licenses. That in itself is reason to fight back against the practice.
 
Sometimes permits are obtained by someone (usually a woman) that is hiding from an abusive or theatning ex-boyfrind, former husband or stalker. Anything that might lead to the discovery of their present location could represent a lethal threat.
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This is your best arguement, but it is invalid because people living normal lives can't really hide these days.

Perhaps another example is someone who is working for an anti-gun employer, who upon discovering the employee has a license finds a way to fire him or her.
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Life is too short to work in a job where you aren't wanted. A good worker can always find a job.

I know of a case where following the exposure of a Father having a permit, his 9-year-old son suddenly found himself unwelcome at several friends homes, for reasons he couldn't understand.
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Welcome to the real world. Children do begin understanding that not everyone likes them at a young age. I'm waiting for my son to have some problems at a house where he is seeing a young girl for reasons totally unrelated to guns. Her parents are anti gun.
 
There are some real gems in there:

(for, there's no telling how many people out there are packing without a permit; in Humboldt it's probably a pretty damned high number).
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Whaaaaaaaaaa????? Where's the evidence or basis for that? I thought everything a journalist wrote needed to be based in some verifiable fact, unless labeled as pure speculation, which this is not.


Eleven of the CCW permit holders remain confidential, said Paris, because their stated cause for wanting to pack a gun (such as having a stalker, for instance) indicates they could be endangered if identified.
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That just kills me for a couple of reasons. First, what did other people put down as their reason? Is this journalist saying that she left of ALL of those with "stalker" as their stated reason, off the list? Or just those who told her that they'd like to be left off the list due to a stalker. And, that's a very weak basis for distinction, seems to me - either you publish all, or none - not pick and choose based on whether YOU the journalist think the reason is "good enough", as to whether or not you publish the names. Second, she's got it backward. The ones with stalkers are already endangered. Yes they are now endangered even more with the publishing of their names, but only marginal more so - they already had a creep after them. But as for the ones without a specific stalker, their "endangerment quotient" just went from near zero to a significantly high number due to being published. Makes little to no sense.
 
Hi Phydeaux642,

The very fact you mistakely feel the need to carry a weapon is indication you must be doing something wrong and ergo a person of interest. Public safety in knowing who these wannabe Jesse James' are supercede any right to privacy. The peoples right to safety trumps any and all privacy concerns in a public place.


(It's a rather disturbing experience to have satire taken as commentary. Now I know how Swift felt)

Selena
 
Officers'Wife said:
The very fact you mistakely feel the need to carry a weapon is indication you must be doing something wrong and ergo a person of interest. Public safety in knowing who these wannabe Jesse James' are supercede any right to privacy. The peoples right to safety trumps any and all privacy concerns in a public place.
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I carry a gun 'cause a cop is too heavy (all those donuts ya know) and full body armor is way to hot here in SC.
 
Life is too short to work in a job where you aren't wanted. A good worker can always find a job.
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Mark of the young and/or naive. Wait until you're in your mid fifties and your livelihood industry goes down the crapper. You'll be over qualified or over experienced for the few positions that do appear. You'll want ANY job, whether they like you or not, just as long as your paycheck doesn't bounce.

Been there, done that. It ain't fun.

Looks like it's happening again, too.

Zip
 
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