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My dealer says CZ75 "s are crap !

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bfox, Jun 26, 2004.

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  1. bfox

    bfox Member

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    I know different from reading here and other gunboards .
    Could you please give me your opinions .Even if you only write one
    word I would appreciate it .
    I would like to print comments out and give them to him .

    Thanks Bill

    P.S. I was interested in the CZ85 combat which he also says is crap .
    I value you Ladies and Gentlemans opinions More than dealers .
     
  2. 41mag

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    one word?heck here's two.NEW DEALER!(as in get a):D


    edit:Agree with the ignorant guy.Mebee you can get 'em real cheap because they're junk.:D
     
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  3. Plinkerton

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    Yup. I agree with 41mag.

    One local dealer around here likes them okay, but when I aksed him if he would take a CZ over another gun, he said no. He liked them, but said they were nothing special. A decent deal for the price, and that's all.

    The other dealer around here said that every CZ that has come thru their store was great, and he really likes them, he just doesnt know a lot about them.

    From what I've heard, they are great. A P-01 is next on my list. :D
     
  4. Matt Dillon

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    After having done a lot of research before buying my .40 cal cz75B, I concluded that the CZ line of weapons were extremely underrated. Now after ~800 flawless rounds through it, I'm more sold than ever. Obviously, your dealer doesn't know what he is talking about, and it is probably not worth your time to re-educate him.
     
  5. grislyatoms

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    I have a CZ75 Compact 9mm. For the money, it's a lot of gun. Reliable, rugged, accurate, and simple.

    Two things I don't like:

    Mags don't drop free (although I understand that this can be fixed easily)

    Trigger pull is a little weird.

    I like mine.
     
  6. cookhj

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    i had a CZ-75 BD and i loved it. low recoil, felt good in my hands, pointed well, tough construction, reliable, and accurate. you need a new dealer. that guy is obviously an idiot.
     
  7. George Hill

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    Tell your dealer that we all said he is full of crap.
    Tell your dealer that Jeff Cooper disagrees with him.

    Etc...
     
  8. czhen

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    May be
    He started this week on this bss
    He was drunk.
    He hate CZ because always wanted an excelent pistol and never had.
    There are thousands of experienced dealers to get some good advices.
    Check www.czforum.com

    CzHen
     
  9. browneu

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    I don't know if I would trust your dealer after that kind of blanket statement. Did he tell you what about them is crap? What is he trying to sell in lieu of the CZ. Personally, I think that the CZ pistols and rifles are very underrated and are a great value for the money.
     
  10. Barry in IN

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    I had a CZ75B in .40.
    I shot it quite a bit without trouble. I would've shot it more if it were a diffderent caliber.
    It was the most accurate .40 I've had.
     
  11. jdkelly

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    I like both my CZs

    Bfox,

    I have two CZ-75Bs and I like them both. They shoot well and they are a good value for the money.


    Respectfully,

    johnk
     
  12. HSMITH

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    Tell your dealer it is time to change the bong water, he obviously is being handicapped mentally by something if he thinks the CZ-75 is anything but one of the finest handguns on the market.

    They are accurate, reliable, rock solid sights, all steel and built like a tank, ergonomically very friendly to just about any hand size, and affordable. There isn't anything not to like.
     
  13. R.H. Lee

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    Ditto what everybody else said. I have one CZ, a 75B. It is accurate and functions flawlessly. I trust it completely.:)
     
  14. RatFink

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    I'll bet the answer is $$$, he just can't make enough on the CZ's since everyone knows how inexpensive they can be (Notice I didn't say cheap) and he can probably only make $30 on the sale of one.
     
  15. russlate

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    I have a pair of CZ83's ( 13+1 380 if you can find the hicaps ) that I plan to buy a 3rd one of. " A pair and a spare " is what I want.

    Not because they have shown any problems, but because of something Mas Ayoob said: if you get involved in a righteous shooting, the police will take your gun, and if they let you out on the street you may then have to deal with the shootee's family and friends. With your main gun locked up in the police station for months.

    Nevada's CCW is limited to those guns you've demonstrated competence with. It requires a statement from a rangemaster that lists make, model, and caliber qualified with. It does NOT list serial numbers. In addition to getting a 3rd CZ83, I'm looking for spare S&W M36's and M38's - my other listed carry guns.

    In Nevada, you can add a gun to your license by simply firing a qualification with another type of gun and adding it to your CCW file in the SO. In my case, it would take a drive to Reno ( a hundred thirty miles away ) to day 2 of a scheduled CCW class. Or I could qualify locally under the local Sheriff's rangemaster - and you can bet if I've been involved in a shooting I'd have to play phone tag with him, and probably end up with him being unavailable no matter however flexible I am.

    The CZ83's are a 380 ( 9x17 ) version of the CZ82 in 9x18 Makarov, designed as a Czech replacement for their military. It's a solid well made little gun. And the CZ75 has an almost 30 year history of performing like the Browning Hi-Power. It doesn't get much better. The CZ85's are CZ75's with minor modifications and a different designation. Also solid guns.

    I'd trust their reliability over any US pistol turned out in the last 10 years.
     
  16. Iggy

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    Is he a Kimber dealer?

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. SouthpawShootr

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    Your dealer's either been smoking something or he doesn't have them in stock and he doesn't want to order it. You should be insulted that he thinks you are so gullible as to believe something like that. I'm sure the next few words out of his mouth were extolling the merits of whatever he had on hand.
     
  18. RWK

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    Your dealer is full of it . . . my only CZ -- a 75B -- is nothing less than outstanding in both quality and performance. Further, as TFL, THR, and so forth suggest, my CZ-experience is typical . . . and it extends well beyond the 75B alone.
     
  19. BlkHawk73

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    Hmmm...Those "junk" guns seem to be popular enough with civilian and non-civilians. Any reason behind his reason? Anytime I hear a dealer put down a reputable model that strongly, I've usually found they've not been allowed/accepted as an factory authorized dealer or soemthing along those lines. Also, curious as to what brands he pushes.
     
  20. albanian

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    I had a CZ-40b that had a poor SA trigger and was not very accurate but it never jammed. I sold it to my friend and he loves it. It has still never jammed but it is still inaccurate, my friend can't shoot well enough to mind so he is happy.

    They are not crap but they are not the end all and be all of handguns. I would take a CZ over a Ruger or S&W auto but not over a Beretta or a SIG. They are good guns for the money but not the deal of the century. I only paid $299 for my CZ-40b and I think it was a good deal but not a steal.

    My CZ-452 .22lr rifle however is a real deal. I paid less than $200 new for my Special and it is by far the best deal on a .22 rifle you can get. I have also had a CZ-52 and a CZ-70, they were O.K. also but nothing special. Maybe some of the CZ-75s are better and that is really what everyone seems to mean when they talk about CZ. I never had a CZ-75 so I can't comment on those. People rave about them but that doesn't mean much, people rave about Maks and I don't think they are all that great either. Poor trigger, poor sights and uncomfortable grip makes for poor shooting for me.

    Most underrated pistol on the market? I would vote Beretta 92fs. You can get a nice used one of the same price as a new CZ and you will have a class A pistol.
     
  21. MICHAEL T

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    Find another dealer.
     
  22. Wildalaska

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    OK lets not get carried away,,,,

    Acurrate, relaible, rock sold , all stell and built like a tansk,,

    Ergonomically very UNFRIENDLY to small hands...

    And awfully heavy....

    If they were as expensive as SIGs nobody would get one...they are a super value...

    I personally cant use one as a "carry" gun, grip frame too big for my hands...that being said, I would use one as a truck handgun....

    On the other hand to call em crap is stupid.

    WildnotthebeallandendallbutstillniceAlaska
     
  23. Gunsnrovers

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    Your dealer is either an idiot or thinks you are to make a blanket statement like that.
     
  24. Marcus

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    Gun dealers generally know about as much about guns as car dealers know about cars. Which is to say just barely enough to do their job. There are exceptions of course here and there and they are to be treasured. :) The CZ-75 is the *original* "wonder nine" and is the one all others are compared to world wide. Many are found wanting. The Beretta 92 is based on the CZ-75 pattern ,except for the original odd magazine release location which took Beretta a good many years to fix (putting it where the CZ had it all along). To this day they can`t approach the CZ-75 or 75B for durability especially with hot euro spec ammo. The US is probably the ONLY country in the world where the CZ-75 isn`t considered a top 5 choice on every professional`s list of best service guns. A little ignorance goes a long way. Are they the absolute best thing out there? Maybe not, but NO other service auto will serve you *any better* either,for ANY price. Since the 85 Combat is the premium version of the 75 I can`t see how you can go wrong. Marcus
     
  25. Black Snowman

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    After buying pistols from Glock, Taurus, HK, Magnum Research, Browning, Colt, and FINALLY CZ, the only brand I want more of is the CZ. I have a CZ 75B in 9mm and you can add just about every other CZ 75 series pistol and the CZ 97B to my wish list.

    Kamicosmos' CZ 97B is simply the most ergonomic, easiest, and most accurate 45 ACP pistol I have ever seen or shot. I can shoot it almost as well as my dot scoped Browning Buckmark 5.5 Nickel Target after only putting about 50 rounds through it. I can't believe how good of a gun it is.

    I also bought a CZ rifle. A CZ 550 Varmit Laminated. The only bad thing I can say about the CZs I've owned, handled and fired is that the triggers start out a bit scratchy. However once thier broken in, or I spend a half hour with them and small stone, they're some of the best factory triggers I've tried.

    This it the single biggest thing holding back their sales. If they just spent another 2 minutes finishing the contact surfaces of the trigger at the factory I can't see how anyone could turn one down.
     
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