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My First run-in with an anti while open carrying

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mzmtg, Jun 29, 2006.

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  1. mzmtg

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    WARNING: The following account contains no pithy, hoplophobe-slaying remarks.

    I was grocery shopping after work with my gun on my belt.

    Some lady comes up to me next to the ice cream case and says, "Can I ask you a question?"

    I kept looking for the ice cream I wanted, but I knew what was coming, "Sure."

    "Why are you carrying your weapon in here?" At least she had sense enough not to call it "that thing."

    "I carry it to protect myself."

    "Do you have a business card or anything?"

    ***? "No."

    "Are you in law enforcement or anything like that?"

    "No."

    "Do you have a permit for it?"

    "Yes."

    "So why do you carry a gun?"

    "Like I said, I carry it to protect myself."

    "Who do you think you need protection from, people like me who are very unnerved by it?"

    I finished up, chuckling, with, "I hope not."

    With that, I just turned and went down the aisle, looking for the next item on my list.

    Overall, pretty uneventful. Sure, there are TONS of smart azz comments I could have made at any point, but it wouldn't have done any good. I figured I'd do my part by being a clean cut guy, who isn't a cop, carrying a gun and not stirring up trouble.
     
  2. atlctyslkr

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    You're lucky that's the only comment you got. Come down to the city and try that, you'll get hit with a brandishing charge.
     
  3. mzmtg

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    ...that wouldn't stick...

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=16-11-102

     
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    I'd say you chose wisely. :)
     
  5. das028

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    You should of told her to mind her own business!
     
  6. mzmtg

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    Why? What would that have accomplished?

    Seriously.
     
  7. entropy

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    I think you handled it very well-matter-of-fact, and a bit of self-depreciating humor at the end.

    I'd like to think I'd have had the presence of mind to answer
    with, "No, but the people you hear about on the Ten O' Clock News come to mind" or some such, but I probably wouldn't have.:eek:
     
  8. das028

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    Why accomplish anything? Its your right, she's not a LEO, so why should you answer to her?

    It may be different if she was really interested, and actually had some legit questions for you. But this women just wanted to stick her nose into your business, and make it known to you that she was antigun.

    I know what I would of said to her!
     
  9. mzmtg

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    I bet you do!

    Why reinforce her possible prejudices about gun owners? Why not be a polite member of society, even if she wasn't?
     
  10. Byron Quick

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    Sorry, but you must be from somewhere besides Georgia. There is no such charge as brandishing in the Georgia Code. The city of Atlanta cannot have such an ordinance due to the Georgia pre-emption statute which forbids any county or municipal government from passing firearms laws more restrictive than state law.

    I've open carried in Atlanta since before carry permits were available. I've carried openly with a permit on daily walks down Ponce de Leon Avenue for six months in 1988. Never even had an officer inquire if I had a permit.

    Do you know anyone or have information from a reputable source of anyone at anytime being charged with brandishing in the state of Georgia?

    Here's a link http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=1-1-1 to the offical Georgia Code put on the web by the Georgia state government. It's searchable. Do a search for brandishing, brandish, brandished, and brandishes. You'll get zero results.

    There is a charge for open carry in the code. The charge is carrying a pistol without a license. With a license, you are legal under the same terms and conditions as when carrying concealed. There's not a charge for printing, or if your coat falls open and reveals your weapon. As far as the law concerning carry and pistol go, there's not a law forbidding you from strolling down the street while twirling the darn thing. They'd probably get creative and charge you with disorderly conduct or something, though. Unless you pointed at someone without legal justification, they wouldn't charge you with any firearm offense.

    mzmtg, the lady sure acted strange for a person who was so 'unnerved.' I don't approach people who unnerve me. In recent years, I haven't carried openly often here. But during the 70's and 80's I open carried often. I never had one negative comment. During the 70's, almost everyone who said anything to me were assuming I was an undercover cop:rolleyes: It must have been the long hair, beard, sandals, tyedyed shirt, etc. Apparently, they couldn't wrap their minds around the concept,"hippy with a gun."


    Good job. Rude, wisecrack remarks only serve to make antis think they're right in their stereotypes. The same type of comments can turn a fence sitter into an anti.
     
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    I see your point, and a I applaud your tolorence for ingnorance.

    I guess I'm not as tolerent as you, but you also have to realize I live in a state that is overun by ignorant anti's.

    I cant carry, because of state laws, so I guess the issue is a little more serious to me.
     
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    It can be hard to give short, clear answers that aren't obnoxious, so I think you did well. I have been known to say things like "because I have the right and the duty to protect myself and my loved ones against criminal predators," or words to that effect.

    Thing is, just about any answer can turn into a futile exchange (note I didn't say debate) where the other person just wants to unload their prejudices upon you. Every once in a while, you get someone who asks sincerely, and then you have an opportunity to open someone's eyes. Even if they don't become a convert, they may at least begin to question their programming. Sadly, those cases are few and far between; the good news is that it's a positive thing when you are successful in expanding their viewpoint.
     
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    she is a liar

    She said:
    "Who do you think you need protection from, people like me who are very unnerved by it?"

    In truth if she was so "unnerved" by it she would have been too afraid to approach you. She should have said your open carry "offended" her because she sure wasn't "unnerved". That's what I don't get.

    This proves that anti's understand that permit holders are law-abiding, decent people. If she though you were a criminal she would have sh** her pants and ran but instead she knew you were approachable and stable enough to take her harassment w/o her having to fear for her safety.
     
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    I'm trying to figure out why she asked if you had a business card? As if handing her a business card would magically answer her questions and made her angst go away.

    You should have business cards with nothing but BANG! written on it for the next goofball that asks that question...
     
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    Strange question. I wonder what that was about?
     
  16. Freddymac

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    Hey Das...

    Even more reason to try to avoid helping them prove that "all people who who carry a gun want do is look for a fight". The more our immage moves toward the "clean cut, responsible types", and away from the "john wayne, wild west cowboy types", the harder it will be for these idiots to point a finger at us and call us the problem.
     
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    I think you did very well.

    Why should we act any different carrying a gun then someone say with a hammer in a holder on your belt.

    They are both tools. If we can get more people to understand that a gun is just a tool then we will be ahead of the game.

    Kid
     
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    business card

    how 'bout "Have Gun, will Travel"?
     
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    Put the dog on HER. " Well mam it is the second ammendment right guaranteed by the Constitution. Are there any other Constitutional rights you don't approve of?" " Being the second it was obviously very important. More so than giving women the right to vote. That came MUCH later.":evil:

    Kevin
     
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    I think mzmtg was right not to be a smart ass about it. Hopefully that woman now has seen at least one normal, non-criminal person carrying a firearm for protection (it may have been the first non-cop openly carrying that she's ever seen), and it will help her understand that we don't have to be feared for exercising our rights.
     
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    not bad

    I think you did fine.

    My experience with anti-gun-owner types is that they fear people with guns because 1) the anti-gun person does not know the armed person on a personal level, and 2) the anti-gun person is worried that the armed person isn't "trained."

    One suggestion is to have a backup speech ready for use in addressing #2.

    Something like:

    This seemed to work on the blissninny-types I know at work who can't believe that a "normal person" would actually want to own a gun.
     
  22. Lone_Gunman

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    I think you did alright.

    Remember there is no reason to get upset if someone asks why you are open carrying. I think its a legitimate question, but a little nosy. If you don't want to be bothered by people asking, then conceal the gun.

    Getting upset or offended over a question like that is kind of like getting upset if you decide to get a big orange afro, and then are offended when someone tells you your hair looks silly. If you have an orange afro, or carry a gun openly, you are asking for unwanted attention.
     
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    I've read the laws and it's not my intent to overrun this thread but ...

    I was confronted by a police officer a few years ago while in a grocery store and my jacket rode up over my gun. I had to show my permit and was told to quit brandishing if I wanted to keep that gun. I zipped up my jacked and went to another store.

    I know open carry is legal with a license. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you won't have a problem doing it. I'd rather not spend my money and time proving I'm right. We've all read the Wal-Mart story about the guy in Newnan. I wonder how much it's cost him. Who do you think the courts are going to believe?

    I'll meet anyone at Lenox Square for an open carry test. See how long it takes one of those cops to jack you. I'm not saying you'll get arrested but you will get a nice hassle.

    Atlanta is not like the rest of the state in more ways than one.
     
  24. mzmtg

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    There is no state law under which that ignorant cop could have charged you. A judge would certainly not uphold any related charge of illegally pointing it at someone since it was in a holster on your belt.

    There isn't even any "gray area" to debate on this one. There is no way that the open carry by a licensed citizen could be construed as illegal.
     
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    I have seen people who carry open and have witnessed the snide remarks and stares. There's something said to not making waves and that's why I prefer to carry concealed. Not knocking those who carry openly, I just personally prefer to be low key and not draw attention to myself when I carry which is just about every day.
     
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