I bought my first muzzleloader back in the mid 70's. I got it as the end result of a new shooter mistake. I bought a rifle based solely on 1. I love lever actions and 2. I chose one based on ballistic charts. Shot half a box of ammo out of it, decided it was beating my shoulder too much to be enjoyable as a regular shooter, took it back to the store from which I had purchased it and asked what I could swap it for. They had this brand new TC Seneca in .45 they were having trouble selling because most shooters wanted .50's. Back to the range and just fell in love with it. Have it's Hawken big brother and the T/C Patriot to round out my T/C black powder collection. How'd everyone else get into those old smokesticks, and are you a percussion or flintlock fan?