My letter to Steak and Shake, re: CCW

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fmjcafe

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I saw that my local Steak and Shake restaurant has banned CCW. Here`s a copy of the e mail I sent them.
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I am a regular customer of your restaurant located in Ballwin, MO. As you may know, MO. recently passed a law allowing law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons. One facet of the law is that businesses may post a sign banning concealed weapons from the premises.

I was very disappointed, on a recent visit, to see such a sign posted at your Ballwin store. What I would like to know, is this a corporate policy or are individual franchisees allowed to make the decision to ban concealed weapons from their stores. If it is a corporate policy, I would like to know why Steak and Shake feels that allowing a law abiding citizen that has gone through a seven day waiting period with a background check to obtain a permit to purchase a concealable weapon, followed by an eight hour gun safety course, followed by further background checks by the MO. highway patrol and the FBI, poses a hazard to the safety of your employees and customers.

As you surely know, criminals don`t submit to the above mentioned process and don`t respect signs banning them from entering your stores with their weapons. Perhaps they will even be enticed to choose a posted business for a robbery knowing that the customers and staff are unarmed. If that turns out to be the case and the unthinkable happens and patrons or employees are wounded or killed in a robbery, Steak and Shake may find itself liable. By restricting a person from carrying their legal concealed weapon into your store, you have assumed responsibility for their safety.

Finally, as a twenty year customer of Steak and Shake, I will no longer patronize any of your stores that display a sign banning law abiding citizens from entering one of your restaurants with a legal concealed weapon and also will be compelled to make your position known to my family members and friends that choose to go through the process for obtaining a license to carry.

I look forward to your reply,
 
I don't know if this is Corporate policy or not, but I have not seen signs posted at any of the Steak and Shakes in the Central Florida area, but having read your post I am certainly going to check more closely. If I find a ban on CCW I will have eaten my last burger there.

THE SECOND AMENDMENT INSURES ALL THE OTHERS!!!
 
Been to Steak & Shake once and once was enough. I'll find a Cracker Barrel instead (and if in Tennessee, Papa Catfish).
 
Funny little thing about that restaurant. First time I saw their sign I thought it said "Steak and Snake". I kept wondering who would eat at a place that served up beef and reptiles.
 
Ignore the signs and carry anyway. If you are carrying concealed, no one will know.
 
Please share

The outcome of your letter,and all pertinent phone numbers and Emails
so we can all advise them our dollars are going elswhere!
 
Ignore the signs and carry anyway. If you are carrying concealed, no one will know.
I have no real problem doing that (it is legal in Kentucky unless asked to leave) but I'd rather send a message that I will not support this attitute.

Therefore I will try REALLY hard to avoid these locations and let them know why as well.


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Some friends and I generally get together at S&S about once a week and we're pretty close with the late-night manager and waitresses. I carry there all the time (though I don't believe I've ever been "made"). There are no posted "No gun" signs at the one I go to.
If I remember, I'll ask the manager if she knows about any corporate policy regarding firearms.
 
Good letter - keep up the diligence.

Around here they don't have any signs, which is a good thing because they do have the best fast food burgers around.
 
I don't think it's a corporate policy. I saw my first non-LEO open carry when I was about ten in a Steak n' Shake.

Could it be a franchise situation where each is independently owned and operated? If so, there's a lot of leeway to make such limitations.
 
I haven`t heard back from S&S yet but there is another location a couple miles down the road from the one in Ballwin. I`ll run by there this evening and see if it`s posted.
 
fmjcafe.

Good post. How are you? We met at John Ross' range for qualification.

I must be lucky or unobservant because I have not started seeing any of these signs pop up in South County.

I agree with the above post that carrying anyway lets the owners of posted businesses think their anti gun stance is ok with people. I like the idaes of the letter as well as the No guns = No money cards that other states have used. That is hard evidence for them that there was a person in their store who feels strongly enough to drop one of the cards. Imagine a business owner who starts finding these business cards in thier cash drawers or stapled to their guest checks explaining that based on their no CCW stance they will not be getting business from that customer any longer. I like the idea of both. I may even put a form letter on my computer to plug in the name of the business then print, sign and mail it. But the card in hand is another idea I really like. I may have to odrer up a run of them.
 
I checked out another local S&S and it wasn`t posted so it appears that the individual franchisees are free to act as they see fit. I`m still waiting to hear from the corporation.
 
I just got off the phone with the manager of the S&S outlet in Ballwin and he told me that posting the signs was a corporate decision. They have not replied to my e mail yet.

Here`s a link to their web site:
http://www.steaknshake.com/default-home.asp

Also here is contact info for the Missouri / Kansas Division:

Missouri, Kansas
Division Office
12173 Prichard Farm Road
Maryland Heights, MO 63043
fax: (314) 298-8218
phone: (314) 298-1323

Let em have it.
 
More info:

I just called the division office and a very polite man told me that the signs would be coming down. He said that some other people had gotten involved and the legal dept. advised that the signs be removed. I guess we will have to wait and see on that, but to me as long as my local outlet is posted I have a problem. I`ll call again tomorrow during regular business hours and see if I get the same story.
 
Just a suggestion,

Next letter, include a blurb about the Killeen, TX woman who was in Luby's and had her CCW handgun in her car as a psycho ran around and shot everyone killing a lot of people including her father. Quick search should find the story.
 
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