Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by Whiskeyhotel2020, Nov 1, 2020.
The current slide seems to match the frame insofar as finish wear and looks very good.
Would you refinish the entire gun if a new slide didn't match the frame finish?
That will be a great project whichever way you go with it.
Frame and slide look to be not correct for each other but, may well have been done at one of the armories along the life of the pistol. To find just an A1 frame that was Mil Surp would be most likely expensive. If that is a 1911 pre A1 frame, can't see it well enough to know for sure, then of course someone trying to put a pre A1 together would of course love to have it. Problem of course is so few of them are still around and for sale. As it is looks damn nice.
That is a good question about the finish. I'm pretty sure it was refinished by the military. I know that if I find a WWI slide in good shape the frame is parkerized and off the top of my head colt blued the original issue so if I am going to restore it fully I would have to refinish it. I was toying with the idea of talking to Turnbull about restoring it.
On second thought it has character and the WWII top end gives it that I've seen some stuff and if I could talk... Maybe I'll just narrow my search to replace the grips.
I would leave it as is. Even if you managed to find a correct WW1-era slide to match the frame (Colt or Remington), and had it professionally reblued, the $ value wouldnt change much.
As it sits, it is period correct for an arsenal-reworked 1911 which could have served in Korea, Vietnam, or the Cold War as issued.
Nearly all military 1911s got reconditioned at an Army arsenal at least once over their service lives. They would mix and match parts as needed, refinish (parkerize), and replace wood grips with those brown plastic panels to bring the older guns closer to 1911A1 standard. Those are the correct issue grips, save them if you swap them out!
That gun is exactly as it would have left the arsenal. In fact, there may be arsenal stamps to tell you which one did the rework.
Colt and Remington UMC serial numbers overlapped by 1918. Only the inspectors stamp on the left side behind the trigger will tell you who made the frame for sure.
I appreciate the information. By correct issue you are referring to as it was issued from the armory? I thought the first 1911s had double diamond wood grips?
This process was repeated after WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Some guns got reworked multiple times. Yours is exactly how a GI from any war after WW1 would have received the gun and fought with it.
I appreciate the information. I definitely will have to look at the markings on the frame and find out who made the frame. I definitely want to put correct wood grips on it. I will save the plastic ones and most likely will leave everything else as is. I am going to fire a magazine through it every Nov 10th.
No AA or other rebuild stamp that I can make out.
An ordinary depot level refurb, a perfectly legitimate US service pistol as (re)issued, even though not factory original.
Wood grips are not authentic to the period and a "restoration" would be like George Washington's axe, so many replacement parts required to get it to look like either a WWI Colt or a WWII Remington Rand as to destroy its historical relevance.
I see and agree with you. I got the frame I longed for and my own piece of history. Thank you for your posts.
I read the serial number to be 260687. That would make it a Colt M1911 frame. I can barely make out the Remington-Rand marking on the slide.
I agree with the others that say to leave it alone. It's a perfectly honest WW2 rebuild of an M1911.
P for proof tested, G for government contract.
They did, and the one M1911 (not A1) in my Arms Room had them. But the plastic grips would be correct as an arsenal replacement/repair item.
Yep, looks just like one that was issued to me.
I’d like it back, please
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