My 'new' C&R Romanian Tok TT33 won't fire

[leadcounsel]

Took my new TT33 to the range. It will dry fire fine, but when I insert a magazine and rack the slide (loading a round) into single action (hammer fully cocked) it will NOT fire. Safety is in the OFF position (which works in dry fire mode). I've put 10+ pounds of pressure on the trigger and it won't budge. What's wrong?

 

[Gik-tal]

is the slide all the way forward, with the round loaded, or is just a little out of battery?

 

[Shadow 7D]

check to make sure that the swing link is where it should be, if you put the slide release/ slide stop in and don't put it thouough the swing link you can get this problem. 2nd, the safety really ain't, it's just a trigger block, if you wan to make sure, a quick test is to take the hammer pack out (just pull straigh up once you take off the slide) and maually hit the sping, should drop the hammer.

And just to be sure, you know you can remove the "safety" right, but it sounds like the safety is blocking the hammer, cause if it was the disconector you should just have a dead pull, its the cheap safetys that lock the trigger.

 

[-v-]

As stated above. Make sure the safety is disengaged (down is off), and that the swing link on the barrel is properly aligned.

In addition, make sure that after you got it, you thoroughly cleaned the pistol. The preservative grease looks and feels almost like lapping compound and it can easily bind many of the internal parts.

Also, can the trigger budge any forward and back, or is it completely frozen in place?

 

[azyogi]

does it have a magizine block some TT33 won't fire without a mag in the well

 

[Shadow 7D]

if it does, you ain't got a TT-33

These are soviet combat weapons, not a lawyer proof target pistol, you do the math

 

[leadcounsel]

Thanks for the responses. The safety is down in the off position. Slide appeared to be in battery. I literally dry fired it and it worked. Picked up the magazine. Loaded it in the weapon. Racked the slide to chamber a round. Hammer was back, slide appeared fully in battery. Trigger would not pull despite my giving it a lot of pressure.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Ok, feild strip it, take the mag out, the grips remove by moving a little lever to the side on one, disengaging a twist bar that hold the grip to the frame, then you use the cleaning tool to just turn the other out of the way, with the slide off you should be able to see the trigger/transfer bar, same as a 1911, and the hammer pack, look to see what is blocking it.

One last and somewhat stupid thought.

You are familiar with the original safety? when half cocked the hammer pack locks both the slide and the trigger, so see if you pull the hammer all the way down if you can pull the trigger.

 

[leadcounsel]

Yes, the trigger works FINE in dry fire/empty mode. But why won't it shoot with a bullet in the chamber?? This is the ONLY variable that causes it not to fire and it doesn't make sense...

 

[-v-]

Again, field strip the gun, remove the grip panels and inspect everything. Make sure the trigger transfer bar is not catching on the magazine. Clean out the preservative red mud compound out of everything. Re-oil with your lube of choice. When re-assembling, make sure that the swing link is engaged by the slide stop.

Also, I will ask again, when you say you cannot pull the trigger back. Can you pull the trigger forward? You may be having a trigger return spring issue as well.

 

[Snowdog]

Are you still able to dry fire on an empty chamber but with a loaded magazine in the magazine well?

 

[leadcounsel]

Yes it will dry fire just fine. The ONLY variable is a magazine loaded with one in the chamber.

 

[Snowdog]

Could this be a headspacing issue? It if won't go to battery with a cartridge in the chamber, that's the only thing I can think of. I can only presume the firing pin is not protruding from the breechface and the extractor isn't preventing the proper chambering of a cartridge.
I hope you can get this squared away, I hear those guns are lots of fun.

 

[leadcounsel]

It was a magazine issue. I tried a different magazine and the gun works fine. It is a fun gun to shoot! Thanks all for your help.

 

[Onmilo]

Was it the Romanian magazine that gave you trouble by any chance?
The two magazines that came with my Romak TT33 were pure junk.

One blew apart on the second shot, base plate shot off and all the guts and ammo came shooting out the bottom.
The other magazine was so sloppy it wouldn't feed cartridges correctly at all.

I got ahold of a few Chinese made magazines and a couple of Polish TT33 magazines plus the two original Russian magazines I had stashed away and each and every one of these work fine in the pistol.