My New Daisy 415

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  1. Speedo66

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    Based on a recommendation by @starling in a thread earlier this week, I decided to try a Daisy 415. I bought a Beeman 17 a few months ago, but the amount of muscle needed to operate the single pump was getting to me, I don't think I shot more than 25 pellets through it..

    The Daisy arrived the day after I ordered from Amazon, on Wed. I started shooting it using old BB's I had laying around, some copper colored Crosman, some silver colored of unknown origin.

    It shot fairly accurately, powerful, etc, but I was having a problem with it.

    The trigger would frequently go back half way and then seem to disconnect. If I released the trigger and pulled again, it would go back halfway easily to where it disconnected, then engage again and fire. I was wondering if the old ammo, some of which is semi corroded looking could be the problem? I was considering sending the gun back as defective.

    I had also ordered some premium Daisy "precision ground" BB's, which arrived today. Down to the test range, the basement, and loaded it up. The BB's are nice and shiny silver color and feel a little heavier than the others.

    Zero problems, it was the ammo. The new BB's also seemed to be more accurate than the old stuff I was using. So, lesson learned, don't use crappy old BB's in your new gun.

    Very happy with it now, the trigger can be staged back for an accurate let-off. I'm getting close to 100 BB's to a CO2 cartridge, which I'm happy with. Using Crosman cartridges I had laying around, don't know if one brand is better than another. I had also bought a lubricant by Capt. O-Ring, made for marker guns, putting a drop on the top of each CO2 cartridge before loading is supposed to be good for preserving the o-rings.

    So thanks @starling for the recommendation, I can see myself getting much more use out of this than the Beeman.
     
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  2. cobalt327

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    Your finding on BBs mirror my own. Crosman Copper Head BB were the worst we found in testing, being undersized and with irregular diameters and pitted/peeling plating. Maybe they have improved them since the photo (shown below) that they used on the Crosman online site, but I am personally going to stay away from them. For everyday shooting I have had very good results using Daisy BBs like sold at Walmart. They're a good BB for the money IMHO. But the Daisy Precision Ground Shot is high quality and as you suspect, they do weigh more because they're larger in diameter than most other BBs.

    crosman vig screen shot.jpg
     
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  3. Speedo66

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    I should add, the gun is rated at either 495 or 500 fps depending where on the instructions you read. lol

    Regardless, I think that's pretty good for an inexpensive ($34.50) gas pistol, you can hear the BB's whack the magazine filled cardboard box with authority.

    I think the accuracy and power may be good enough for short range small vermin control.

    Interesting fact, the gun is made in Japan, not China.
     
  4. starling

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    Yes always put a drop of pelgun oil on your CO2 to preserve your seals as much as possible. Also yes... the Daisy silver BBs are where its at. They are more consistent in size and weight than Crosman in my experience. Hard to say what was going on with your trigger. I would have to have it in my hands. I could very well be the old BBs getting hung up if they were in bad shape.

    The go to for airgun oil is SAE30 Non-Detergent Motor oil. I quart will probably last you a lifetime. Common use among airgunners.

    Glad you like it. For the price they cant be beat the performance IMO. Daisy pistols always feel cheaper because they dont use Zinc and rely on Plastic/polmer clamshells. But they always outperform anything in its price range. You will likely get better power and accuracy from those daisy BBs as well. The are better BBs than Daisy even but you pay a premium for it and not really worth it unless you are going to try for extreme accuracy or hunting with a BB.

    Only thing I have ever had to fix on my older daisy pistols is seal replacement. Some people will overtighten the CO2 knob to the point of breaking or damaging the seal. It shouldnt take a lot of force (made for kid strength) so go easy.

    BTW... the rail is pretty well in Spec. You can practice nightime shooting with lasers and lights if you have the means and location to do so.

    These pistols have been around for a while. I am always suprised more people dont know about them. Great for a training/teaching aid and overall fun.
     
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    Crosmans are fine for goofing around we are just a more demanding bunch. To most kids and even many adults a BB is a BB. When my 10 year old is out goofing with the red rider I give him the Crosmans to use them up. I still have a jar left. Its all just for fun. Daisy is just more serious and hard core about BB guns and even makes the Daisy Match Champion 499 which is a match rifle.

    https://www.amazon.com/Western-Classic-Daisy-Avanti-Champion/dp/B00DG60C8U/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=B00DG60C8U&psc=1

    Dont own one but have shot it. I will say they are kind of rediculous in terms of accuracy for a BB gun. Might pick one up one of these days but its hard for me to drop that much on a BB gun. Fun wise they are worth it though. Cost to shoot is practically nothing. I think the claim of worlds most accurate BB gun is 100% true. Amazing accomplishment for a smoothbore
     
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    Then there's this one for another 50%. https://www.amazon.com/Daisy-753S-Match-Grade-Avanti/dp/B01GVS208O/ref=d_pd_sbs_sccl_2_2/141-5608577-9845816?pd_rd_w=jwaqK&content-id=amzn1.sym.332ad193-f618-461a-9620-42bf983a8f8e&pf_rd_p=332ad193-f618-461a-9620-42bf983a8f8e&pf_rd_r=7KS7T9K62BHF8BE8GMQ2&pd_rd_wg=DxBs2&pd_rd_r=39c684d6-625e-42c4-b0d6-d45d95d8b5c8&pd_rd_i=B01GVS208O&psc=1

    I had two Daisy's as a kid, a model 25 pump action, and a "target' model with a wood stock, rear peep sights, and a globe front sight with changeable inserts.

    Couldn't tell which one was more accurate.
     
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    753s is a different animal. Walther barrels...rifled...pellets. Also a Pneumatic. 499 is a silly spring piston similar to a red ryder. I need to pick up some match grade daisy BBs to see how accurate my sons red ryder really is.

    From what I know the 753s is basically a kids (or Adults) airgun version of an affordarble Biathalon trainer. Never shot one. Crosman had a similar gun...1790 I think. Had one of those and hated it because it was a break barrel spring piston and the reverse recoil always throws me off. For Accuracy Pneumatics are my favorite.

    Would love to have a 753s but I wont drop that much money on an airgun unless its something that really interests me. Airguns can be dangerous that way. Next thing you know you are buying $600 airguns and putting $400 worth of mods into them. It gets a little nutty. Its all about fun for me. I dont compete with airguns or firearms. Most of my stuff is more vintage types that I just keep working and have fun with the kids.

    Airguns (like real firearms) dont have to make you broke to enjoy. Those little youth rifles are a blast to plink and target shoot with. I am always amazed how such a cheap little gun can be so accurate....nothing really wears out on them either. So you can buy a Keystone Cricket or Savage Rascal.... shoot CCI quiets in it if you want airgun type performance.... then use 22s, 22l, or 22lr for more rifle type shooting. Its kind of hard to go wrong. Same goes for a Heritage Rough Rider SA revolver.

    The Daisy 415 is only around $35 though so I tell people about it. If they were $150 I would tell them to go buy a Rough Rider.

    I do recommend BB machine guns though to people thinking of buying a class3 firearm. Those will satisfy most peoples full auto urge without making them broke or waiting a year for paperwork to clear the BATF. I have a few BB sub guns (bumble bee Russian Drozds). All kinds of full auto BB machine guns out there now.
     
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    I found that I could gut a Daisy model 105B Buck and replace the shot tube assembly with the abutment and shot tube made for the 499B. It's a cheap way to get 90% of the accuracy of a 499B but for a whole lot less money. The ultra-short length of pull of the Buck's buttstock means for most grownups a longer stock will be wanted, and there's some fab work involving the front sight/barrel plug and a few other details, but they are a hoot. A Buck set up like that will shoot about 400 fps if you reuse the stock Buck spring! If you replace it with the 499B spring, it shoots about 240-250 fps just like the 499B. The gun will also be like the 499B in that it'll now be a single shot muzzleloader.
     
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    Interesting. Do you have one, if so, is there a significant noise reduction?

    There is loud splat at the muzzle.
     
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    Yes I have one. Yes there is significant noise reduction... wife notices, this is a good thing
     
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    The CMP has 853 Daisy match rifles for $140.
    https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/sporter-air-rifles/
     
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    Thanks, I'll order one.

    My wife says my shooting the 415 in the basement disturbs our dog on the first floor.
     
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    They used to sell to the public. You could choose either the target style or sporter style stock. People have even gone to a local CMP office and picked out one right there on the spot. But the way it reads now, like like Speedo66 says they are limiting them to shooting programs and the like.
     
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    Just placed an order, now waiting for it arrive to try it out.
     
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    Buck Rail silencer arrived yesterday, pretty quick shipping.

    Was able to try it out today, fired a few shots without it, then installed, and fired again. I didn't think the difference in sound was great, but it did take the sharp edged "splat" off it. I say maybe a 20-25% noise reduction by my not so accurately calibrated ear. I was in the basement, my wife could still hear it upstairs.

    It's relatively inexpensive at $20 shipped, if I return it they take a 15% restock fee, plus I'd have to pay for return postage. So not really worth returning for a few bucks back.

    I tried to remove it to put the gun back into a small box, it's a tight fit, not sure I could get it off without damaging it so it stays on.
     
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    +1 on the crosman Copperheads. I mostly shoot pellets but recently bought a CO2 revolver for BBs. Umarex Brodax. The 'mags' take 10 shots and BS are pressed in. I bought a container of Hornady Black Diamonds as I thought I didn't have any BBs but dug up a full container of Copperheads later. Those Copperheads were so undersized they wouldn't even stay in the mags, kept falling out. No other brand of BB, copper or steel, does that.

    I honestly think Crosman purposfully makes them a bit undersized for shooting in .177 rifled barrels. Buy your BBs from Daisy and your pellets from Crosman.
     
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