Okay, Steve. Last chance. Don't look, it'll make you cry. .............. Now that I got my newest few tax stamps back, I finished up work on my Topper 58 in 12ga. It's handy, still accurate but obviously has no choke. The bead does help shooting buck and bird shot but it's way off for the slugs that I've tried so far. For what it's worth, the spread (and the recoil) aren't any worse than my light Rem 870 with a cylinder bore barrel. Steve - just in case you did look, take some comfort in the fact that the barrel was seriously damaged just forward of where I ended up cutting it, it already had many rounds through it pre-cutting, and it will still get quite a bit of use.