Dave I respect your knowledge and experience. I also own a folding stock police with pistol grip and do fire it PGO. I do not get around so I cannot say tell me where to show up but if you get to TN call me. I do not do matches though as my legs are more useless than you believe a PGO is.
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Dave McCracken
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Justin, I'm not surprised.
Has the guy been back with a real shotgun?
R, copy on the legs. A Titanium hip is not as good as original issue but certainly better than what I had.
And, I believe you mistaken rather than a Net Poseur and BS Carver...
Has the guy been back with a real shotgun?
R, copy on the legs. A Titanium hip is not as good as original issue but certainly better than what I had.
And, I believe you mistaken rather than a Net Poseur and BS Carver...
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sarduy
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you got that right..
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I'll bet you're a great shot.....at the range.
Somehow, it strikes me as being much different than sneaking through a darkened house at night. My PGO (with the Knoxx grip) is very short, and I won't be aiming at skeet flying by at a distance.
It's actually fun to shoot, from the hip, and recoil is mild.
If I were to do it over, I might get a PGO in .410 for the house.
When I need a shotgun to bring to the skeet club, rest assured, I'll bring a full stock.
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Guns and More, betcha I've seen more combat than thee.
At one time the whole handle was Lt B D McCracken, MD DOC.
Senior Firearms Instructor. HRT, Weapons Squad of the Tactical Unit. During that time, I not only had to shoot folders from the hip, I had to instruct others to do the same.
Hundreds of them.
My opinions are based on knowledge, training and experience.
And before that was Nam.USAF Firefighter....
Since then,maybe 40 past and present members of this BB have seen me shoot.
Talk's cheap. I can walk the walk.
Anyone can have an opinion, but informed opinions are the ones that count.
At one time the whole handle was Lt B D McCracken, MD DOC.
Senior Firearms Instructor. HRT, Weapons Squad of the Tactical Unit. During that time, I not only had to shoot folders from the hip, I had to instruct others to do the same.
Hundreds of them.
My opinions are based on knowledge, training and experience.
And before that was Nam.USAF Firefighter....
Since then,maybe 40 past and present members of this BB have seen me shoot.
Talk's cheap. I can walk the walk.
Anyone can have an opinion, but informed opinions are the ones that count.
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I agree with dave he sounds like he has experience. And its common sense. Theres just no way on gods green earth a "PGO" is going to be better than a full stock except for storage, or blasting away at the range. I'm not saying theres no way they can be effective just saying if theres no comparing them.
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Not that I recall, though he could have attended one of the matches that I missed due to prior engagements.
What's notable is that this particular match is pretty much just a fun match, cowboy targets at fairly close range.
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Okay. Thank you for your service.
I have great respect for you.
But I didn't join the Marines, and you're not my D.I.
I listened to your advice and went my own way. I'm too old to be bossed around.
I didn't always listen to the nuns in grade school either.
Maybe someday I'll be in a life and death situation and I'l be saying, "I should have listened to old Dave and bought a stock to make this shotgun bigger."
Or not.
Dave McCracken
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That's a good point, Justin. Even when it's just fun, folks that know do not break out PGOs.
When reality and fantasy collide, fantasy takes the worst hit.
GAM, I'm not your DI, nor your 4th grade nun teacher.
BTW, nuns are why I describe myself as a "Recovering Catholic".
What I am is a resource of what works in the real world and what doesn't.
Good luck....
When reality and fantasy collide, fantasy takes the worst hit.
GAM, I'm not your DI, nor your 4th grade nun teacher.
BTW, nuns are why I describe myself as a "Recovering Catholic".
What I am is a resource of what works in the real world and what doesn't.
Good luck....
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a full stock is in the mail... and as for pistol grips or full stocks... they are both fun, the brake is not heavy, and i kinda like it, plus it sound a little better. i'll post some videos at the range next time.
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First, I have to say, that may be the oddest first shotgun I've ever seen -- it would be my last though I can't compliment the basic action more...
I agree a pistol-grip is not to be toyed around with. And I eschewed them. Was a snob. For good reason. They are severely limited. Then I decided my latest project needed to be one. At this particular time, size matters. And for less than $200 I have the following unused Mossberg 500 and accuterments which now, included in the price tag, will have its newly re-blued barrel ported.
Porting, the wrap-around forearm and lighter 1 oz. (vs. 1 1/4 oz.) #4 Buckshot loads (or the plethora of light, reduced recoil, "tactical" loads available today) make pistol-grips VERY useable tools. The focused light attached also give this Distinguished Expert shooter, Training Counselor and Chief Range Safety Officer a warm and fuzzy feeling -- if the target is indoors and/or in range in the bright central beam of the attached red light, it is getting hit when I pull the trigger, period. Don't get me wrong -- I have the original wood and bought a Mossberg SpeedFeed 4-Round synthetic stock from another forum member for the day I may get over this, but today it is my main HD arm.
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I agree a pistol-grip is not to be toyed around with. And I eschewed them. Was a snob. For good reason. They are severely limited. Then I decided my latest project needed to be one. At this particular time, size matters. And for less than $200 I have the following unused Mossberg 500 and accuterments which now, included in the price tag, will have its newly re-blued barrel ported.
Porting, the wrap-around forearm and lighter 1 oz. (vs. 1 1/4 oz.) #4 Buckshot loads (or the plethora of light, reduced recoil, "tactical" loads available today) make pistol-grips VERY useable tools. The focused light attached also give this Distinguished Expert shooter, Training Counselor and Chief Range Safety Officer a warm and fuzzy feeling -- if the target is indoors and/or in range in the bright central beam of the attached red light, it is getting hit when I pull the trigger, period. Don't get me wrong -- I have the original wood and bought a Mossberg SpeedFeed 4-Round synthetic stock from another forum member for the day I may get over this, but today it is my main HD arm.
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A MiniMag? Really?
Time for an upgrade!
Time for an upgrade!
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update.
i'm going to try it with the buttstock, all i can say is that it's easier to aim, this is going to be a dedicated slug gun, "that's why i use a reddot"
new pics: 01/16/10
i'm going to try it with the buttstock, all i can say is that it's easier to aim, this is going to be a dedicated slug gun, "that's why i use a reddot"
new pics: 01/16/10
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I have owned and used various shotguns since I was very young... all for hunting... not meaning I am an expert with shotguns but I have shot a lot of them.
But I saw one of these Roadblockers and had to check it out. I made the purchase and immediately wanted the option to remove the brake before shooting so I could compare. You cannot. It is pinned. When investigating this further I found out the barrel does not meet the 18" requirement and the brake must remain to make the gun legal? I must say I was disappointed.
But after shooting it the very first time.. from the hip and quickly putting three slugs in a 3 inch area at 20 feet .. I am fine with the brake!
I have owned and used various shotguns since I was very young... all for hunting... not meaning I am an expert with shotguns but I have shot a lot of them.
But I saw one of these Roadblockers and had to check it out. I made the purchase and immediately wanted the option to remove the brake before shooting so I could compare. You cannot. It is pinned. When investigating this further I found out the barrel does not meet the 18" requirement and the brake must remain to make the gun legal? I must say I was disappointed.
But after shooting it the very first time.. from the hip and quickly putting three slugs in a 3 inch area at 20 feet .. I am fine with the brake!
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Silly. The wrong tool for the job. Now for H/D, I'm with the P/G crowd.
Sarduy: Be aware that showing a P/G shotgun and asking for advice here is like carrying a torch into a fireworks store. Everyone starts yelling.
Listen to their advice, then make you own decision. There is so much knowledge here that sooner of later, someone will tell you the only way to go is with a blunderbus, or Chinese Boomsplat in 8 ga.
But,
First, don't buy H/D ammo from Wal-Mart, they don't have a selection. Go online to Cabelas or Natchez and look for 12 ga. buckshot. 00 will have 9 pellets about 1/3" and #4 will have about 28 pellets about 1/4". I think either will put a hurt on a criminal.
For general shooting or competition use a shotgun with a stock.
I also have a Mossy 500 P/G without the big thing on the end, and I changed the grip to the Knoxx "breachers grip" which has a hidden spring to reduce felt recoil. It works great.
Shoot it enough to feel comfortable with it, and enjoy.
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When I saw the photo of the pistol grip only shotgun with the red dot...all I could think about was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXY5XxWO_A8
I think you will find it to be MUCH more usefull with the full stock.
Nice collection you have there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXY5XxWO_A8
I think you will find it to be MUCH more usefull with the full stock.
Nice collection you have there.
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I can tell you that red dot you have on there is not going to last too long on a shotgun. Its a Wally world tasco is it not? If so it wont take the recoil.
That was my experience with the 500 Cruiser. Did a couple of range sessions PGO, then fitted a folding stock and it was night and day in terms of comfort, accuracy, and options for firing position. I'm glad I tried both but I wouldn't go back. To anybody asking about the pistol grip, the answer is to go ahead and try it out, then fit a stock and compare for yourself.
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Porting does nothing for recoil, the brake will add some weight to help reduce recoil. Recoil is a math calculation based on weight of the gun, velocity of the payload, and the weight of the ejecta. Felt recoil, is HOW you feel it. That's where gas actions come in handy.
To reduce actual recoil, shoot a heavy gun with light loads. Redirecting muzzle blast happens after the recoil has started.
I have a Mossberg w/PG, but I would never put a Red Dot on it, you will get hurt. If you shoot the gun some with 00, without the Red Dot, I think you'll learn that it will hurt you. I have both stock and PG, I like using the PG, I also added a tritium front sight, You can look down and see glow and know where the barrel is pointing in total dark. For my use the brake makes the gun too long.
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