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My new naa cap and ball

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by h0use, Apr 4, 2014.

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  1. h0use

    h0use Member

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    Just got it in the mail today! Can't wait to try it out!
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  2. vba

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    I've been fascinated by the NAA c&b guns as well. Let us know how it shoots!
     
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    If you run into any difficulties with it, Busyhands94 seems to be the go-to expert on this forum.

    Good luck and have fun.
     
  4. Busyhands94

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    I've got experience with both the LR and magnum frame NAA cap and ball revolvers, they're fun lil' pistols and quite useful! I load my magnum with 2.0 grains of Alliant Bullseye, the LR frame gets a charge of 1.0 grain of Bullseye. I'm getting close to 1000 FPS with the LR, 1200 from the magnum frame.

    Using real BP in these guns is kind of pointless, you're only looking at about 200-300 FPS with the LR frame. Triple Seven really wakes these guns up if you don't feel like using smokeless powder. It's still not as good as smokeless, but they're quite barky with a full load of T7. They can still do some major damage.

    Now I use the magnum frame as my go-to gun for when I need something small. It's surprisingly accurate once you get the hang of aiming that little thing. All I can say is practice, practice, and practice some more if you want to get good with your NAA. These guns are accurate, but they take more work to shoot accurately.
     
  5. raa-7

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    HOuse , or Levi, how much are the .22 bullets for these ?
     
  6. 25cschaefer

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    If you have the original papers, there should be an order form and price sheet where you can order them from NAA they are pretty cheap.
     
  7. kBob

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    Does anyone make a set of casting molds for these bullets?

    I seem to recall on a rimfire board I saw someone make a 16 inch + barreled stocked rifle from one of the cartridge little guns. I wonder if since this is a Muzzle loader if a stock and shorter barrel might be doable without paper work hassles.

    I think something like that mag frame Busyhands 94 has talked about with say a 10 or 12 inch barrel and better sights and a stock like a Marble game getter would be just the ticket for say a truck gun. Small enough to drop folded into a seat back pocket inside a marble like carry pouch.

    Will the BP cylinders work in a cartridge made gun and are they drop in if they do?

    Has anyone thought about taking a Heritage or RG or Schmitt SA .22 LR revolver and modifying a cylinder to use percussion caps and such bullets?

    -kBob
     
  8. 25cschaefer

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    NAA has changed the firing mechanism on the bp revolvers, they now have a broad flat firing "pin" and are not convertible.

    Gary and I have talked about converting a Blackhawk to BP in length, we just don't have a donor or time as we near the end of our last semester of gunsmithing school.
     
  9. Panzerschwein

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    Excellent! This could make a good pocket gun for defense too.
     
  10. h0use

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    I have the LR frame. And it came with 50 bullets. But I order more directly from NAA 250 rounds for 8.00$ I am still waiting for my LGS to get some powder and caps. Have not been able to find caps. But I have about 20 of them my friend gave me.
     
  11. kBob

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    I knew that the NAA folks changed the hammer on the BP guns so they can not be converted to cartridge, but what I was asking was can a cartridge Mini be converted to a BP by dropping in a BP cylinder.

    I believe that the early BP guns did not have the modified hammer and that NAA did the modifications to later production to keep ATF happy about direct shipping to Non FFLs

    Just thought that if one has a cartridge Mini that a spare cylinder for BP might be useful, especially with current .22RF availability. Options are nice.

    I believe at one point NAA offered a .22LR cylinder in the magnum length. It occurs to me that a little hide out gun or tackle box gun that could handle .22 Mag. .22s,L, LR, and loose powder bullets and caps might be something of a lowercase survivalist's wet dream.

    Does NAA offer the BP in the miniature 1858-ish format?

    -kBob
     
  12. kBob

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    Busyhands94,

    You do any shot load work ups with your front stuffing Minis?

    -kBob
     
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    So your working up modern smokeless powder loads for your black powder gun? Interesting. I'm not that familiar with the NAA C&B. Does the company rate them for both powders?
     
  14. h0use

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    Also can you fire 22 pellets or 22 gamo lead balls out of this?
     
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    Yes you can, 22 cal pettets can be shot with just a cap for fun in the garage on a rainy day, I suppose bbs would work as well.
     
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    Kbob, I've done some experimenting with #8 shot loads from my magnum frame. I load 1 grain of Bullseye or 2 grains of Triple Seven, some printer paper wadding, a pinch of fine birdshot, and a little bit of paper on top to keep the shot from falling out. Remington #10 caps for ignition.

    My buddy had a problem with these huge roach looking things that he'd find around his trailer, they were about 2" long and ugly! So we spent a weekend afternoon shooting them with my Super companion. We were using RWS airgun pellets, percussion caps, and 5 of the dots from roll caps as propellant. If I had to guess, they were going about 300-350 FPS. Plenty of roaches were shot that day. ;)

    The NAA's used to be advertized as safe to use with smokeless powder, but the goons at the AFT made NAA stop advertizing that fact. The load is 1.0 for the Companion (.22LR frame) and 2.0 for the Super Companion (magnum frame.)
     
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    For a period of time, my NAA companion was pretty much my only defensive gun. I reckon I've spent more time experimenting with loads for that gun than most men should. But they are fantastic little revolvers, you can take them anywhere you can carry a gun, and mine has certainly lived up to the name "Companion" due to all the woods walks I've taken with it. :D

    PERFECT bumming around the woods gun.
     
  19. Stacer

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    I love mine, I have only used 4F black powder, but maybe soon I will try bullseye
     
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    How much are these? I have seen the cartridge guns but not cb guns. I think I need one.
     
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    I had better results with T7 than even 4F Goex
     
  23. Busyhands94

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    If I were comparing powders to booze, 4F would be beer, Triple Seven would be Jim Beam, and Bullseye would be Everclear. ;) 4F gives a good boom, smoke but only about 400 FPS of muzzle velocity. Bullseye gives you three times the velocity, and your bullets actually expand.
     
  24. Willie Sutton

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    ^^ How are you measuring 1g of Bullseye?

    Willie

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  25. rodwha

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    I think a small carbine version of the Earl would be great! I'd rather see a functioning loading lever though.

    The Earl is their "1858 Remington" model, though they mistakenly call it the 1860.

    http://northamericanarms.com/firearms/cb/1860-4-cb.html
     
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