Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by FunYet, Oct 26, 2009.
PM9. how many years were they made before Kahr recalled the barrel?
they recalled a certain serial number sequence, not the entre line of guns either. Many also never sent their barrels in for a recall for they were having no issues. Most of the recalled barrels was returned with a polished feed ramp. I think you can go to their webb site or to glock talk under the kahr section and see the serial sequences being recalled back then. My point was , kahr is not the only company that has any recall. I think Ruger recalled all of their SR9 also and then came right out with the Lcp and recalled over 50,000. I guess people just accept that though and think nothing about it..
I'm not alibeing for kahr, just some people think they are the only gun company to ever have any type of recall and u know full and well that is definitely not true. I think Smith and Wesson is in with a big recall of their ppk's.
I believe the recall in 2002 was for feed problems with some hollow points.
This has been my experience with my K9. There are some loads that it doesn't seem to care for. It is a good gun and has a lot going for it as a CCW gun. I would not call it unreliable, and certainly not with ammo it likes but I wouldn't say it is as reliable as other guns I own either. I've seen new shooters limp wrist it after shooting dozens of round from my other 9mms with no problem. Racking the slide ( even with a very conciseness effort to not ride it home) does not always result in a round chambering. I've seen the kahr choke when people rack it the same way they were racking my sig, glocks, 1911s, etc. etc. Certain bullets seem to really amplify the problem. I am aware the manual says to use the slide release. Certain bullets don't load even with that. Further, for a defensive gun I would prefer to not have to worry about it, and simply be able to rack the gun and count on it chambering the round.
I'll say that these issues are not rampant or occurring with frequency. If the gun was truly unreliable I wouldn't own it. So although the issues manifest themselves infrequently, it is still more often than other makes of guns that I own.
I expect to have to home gunsmith a $230 kel tec into reliability but not a gun that costs as much as the Khar. I understand small pistols are more finicky but still. My Mustang and LCP have been 100%
Hmmm those two statements seem a little bit incongruous. Kahrs are not ammo sensitive, mine wont run certain loads. If a gun will run great with some loads and not with others it is by definition ammo sensitive. There are of course degrees of ammo sensitivity and not liking one load is not a death knell IMHO. To admit the gun wont run a load and then get indignant about the suggestion it is ammo sensitive reeks of blind fan boy adherence. I'll admit your history of comments like that have killed your credibility concerning kahrs as far as I am concerned.
This further confirms to me that Kahr did nothing with their recall. I haven't heard a single straight answer, or seen a picture that shows the difference between the barrels pre and post recall of the IA serial number.
If we are bashing Ruger for recalling a known problem, lets not get excited about Kahr's reputation at addressing issues. Strangely, the barrel recall came at the time that Kahr went with a lifetime to a 5 year warranty.
they had some barrel peening in the later years but not with the recall of 2002 They replaced any and all barrels that peened also. I was not bashing ruger, but u seem to have a heart on for kahr. I was just also trying to level the playing field. The recall back in 2002 was not when kahr went to the 5 year warranty either.
Fanboy, probably so. my K9 and pM9 have a combined round count of 29,500 with narry an issue. They both go bang every time. YMMV More than I could say for my Para Carry 9 or my Smith & wesson M & P 9...
I get so tired of people who bash this gun or this gun based on their one bad experience or based on what folks say on the internet.
Bottom line is any of the major producers will have problems with their guns. Even "gasp" glocks, sigs and HK's. I do think glocks are some of the most reliable guns out there by design but they're also fat and a bit boxy (design)
Some guns push design's to the limit to achieve certain objectives like thinness, small size, etc. you can expect issues with those (any of those) from time to time and you have to accept that.
More people shoot 1911's more than just about any other gun but statistically many of them need help to run right or handle JHP's.
A Case in point, Ruger SP101's are considered to be tanks and reliable. You hear about them in that context all the time but, I bought one and it locked up tight at the range the second time out. Had to send it back to Ruger and guess what, they fixed it up and it's great.
I've hear so much about polymer Kahrs it makes me sick. Mine is an old one and never ever did anything but perform perfectly for thousands of rounds but that doesn't mean your's will.
The quality of mfg in a kahr is excellent but anything that's produced can have quality issues. The design will have a lot to do with how sloppy quality can get before it affects reliabiliity.
A well worn full size 1911 shooting 230 grain JHP is about as reliable as it gets but make it a 3" 1911 shooting aggressive JHP and it's challenging. Get one from a good mfg and be prepared to work with it and you can get there.
By the way, the only guns I ever had limp writing issues with include a Colt New Agent 45, a Keltec P3AT and a Ruger LCP.
So still to the main mfg's including Kahr; get the gun that is the right balance of compromises (all handguns are just that) and if you can, shoot it and hold it before you put your money down.
Test it and be prepared to send it back to the factory if you have problems. If you want a truly reliable gun, don't go by internet rehetoric were folks like to jump on band wagons, instead get designs that are inherently reliable like a revolver or almost any main full size service weapon. But understand how you're pushing it when you get into mouse guns or very thin compact weapons.
I didn't mention that Kahr still replaces pm40 followers without question. interesting. If you could post where you saw the recall for barrel feeding and not peening please post it. I would like to clear this up in my own mind. I am looking on Kahrs website, I know it is there, but I can not find anything...(not saying its there, I am just not seeing it)
Jacko, I got to call you out. You said less than a month ago your PM9 was at 17-18k rounds. Now you say 25K. That is a large jump, certainly doable and you have the envy of must of us who can't find ammo or shoot that often.
But if I recall you had your pm9 sent to a custom tuner (slide and cycle? if I remember)for Kahrs that charge 700 dollars. So for exactly double the price of the pm9 you have a working kahr. SO you have a super rare pm9, with a super amount of rounds through it....
I always question why you appear in every single thread that mentions Kahrs. Anyone not believing that statement, use google.
I thought I stated if you go to te glock talk forum and under the kahr format,u will see the barrel recall that was put out by kahr (in 2002), I think it states feed problems with HP ammo, not peening.. and only on the PM series also. evidently you don't read to well or understand very well.
Probably best if you want to argue back and forth to go PM, I am cool with that and u can then shoot ur mouth off alot more easier. as I wrote u, show me where less than a month ago my PM9 was at 17 k rounds. that is a bold face lie.
okay so after searching your posts on thehighroad.org, every single one related to Kahr. I can understand love for a manufacture, I am crazy about Walther and their P99, but...I dare say I think the ratio would be 1/50 of your posts are not about kahr.
Also, I missed it when it went from 17500 to 21000 rounds, but in July 8, 2009, 10:20 AM (also posted the same on July 4th) you posted that your kahr had 21000 rounds and your other had 4500. I believe in May you said it was 17500, but I don't care to look further.
So in 3 months you put 4000 rounds through your pm9 and not a single cartridge through your k9.
And yes Cylinder and Slide. You said you sent yours to them. So for exactly double what everyone else paid for their PM9's you have a super pm9. Do you see how this would make your PM9 an anomaly and not the rule?
opps thereu go
again,u just don't seemto get things right. I resigned off the kt forum voluntarily, had enough of their great god on that forum . You can check that out for yourself if u feel a need to. I think RJ is still a moderator over on the kt fanboi club site, check it out big boy. You need to start to get things more correct or someday they will come back and haunt u..
Yup sent my 3 kt's back 17 times had all the documentation back tthen to prove it, no one on that kt forum denied that either, for they were able (most of them) to read right along with my issues and problems with the kt products. and for the most part I stated almost every time I had to send my kt's back to. It was there for all to read. I tried to love the kt products but they are what they are,,, a very low grade made handgun, that today I hear is much better but still gives many issues that should not be happening.
6500 rounds my kt fell apart and they did replace it, never stated that I did not send it back, they took care of it and then I sold it. Got 3 slides a a row from them that the recoil springs flew right out the front of the slide.
read on big boy, u might get it right.
You sure were off on the less than a month ago thing, now wasn't u. I don't shoot my K9 hardly at all, I have stated that in other forums. My main gun and 24/7 is my PM9 which I love to shoot and do so. I could really care less if you think I have 25,000 rounds or 2 rounds. Your colors are showing and indeed it is easy to see them to.
If u want to give all the credit for my gun lasting so long to cylinder and slide, I colud also care less. They did a nice job on the gun, not worth the money I spent to do it but still nice. I had over 5000 rounds on the gun before they ever called for it. It u had chekced, you willsee tha tit takes 7 months once you make a down payment to C & S to have work done on ur gun. I didn't look at it for 7 months, I shot it. It worked perfec before and after their work.Be careful though,ur nose is gettingl longer...and people will be able to know u even better without even talking to you.
anyway I see this thread getting locked soon, so u post what ever in the hell you want. I and most readers now have ur number. U seem to have strayed from kahrs to now being personal
Google search KTOG jocko, first search lists you as ex-member. It said banned for a very long time...Strangely the post is about....a Kahr. didn't see that one coming.
I am sorry. Must be a bad day for me. But, you do post about kahr in every single post here.
I love kahr products, so I guess that makes me a fanboi, didn't really know there was a rule against that
nope was never banned from ktog either, left on my own accord. I told u in a pm how to check that out . Makes no difference to me one way or the other. I will continue to post to kahr owners . Most are darn good people, not coming on these forums looking for an argument like some
my signature no less. Heh if u don't like to read my posts, very easy to just go to the next post. Won't ruin my day either.:banghead: I also post alot on the elsepea forum RUGER no less...
Oh yeah, spotted you back over at KTOG as well. Your writing (or lack of) is UNMISTAKABLE. Now, go check your KTOG PMs.
I guess because writing is communication. And communication presupposes that what you say can be clearly understood by the receiving party and vice versa.
And steps on his crank all the time with contradictions and lies.
Seriously, he never explained the magical, massive round count jump on his PM9 addressed earlier in this thread.
We're done here.
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