My new Turkish made semi automatic is not cycling

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Hello, I am new here. I need some advice. I recently purchased a new Turkish made semi automatic from STAuction. The gun is 12 Ga. Semi-Auto Shotgun M3 Tactical Style New SKUS-FX4-12-01. I was disappointed when I took the gun to the range to find out that the gun does not cycle and gets jammed after the first round. I tried using both 23/4 and 3" shells and had same jamming issue. I put a shell in top chamber and 3-4 in second. The gun shoots the shell in the chamber and ejects properly. The the next shell however comes out from second chamber but the lever does not push up to the shooting chamber and is jammed there.
STAuction refused to repair the gun or reimburse me for a gunsmith. They said they do not take back guns that are shot (fired). Which is silly because that is how I found out the gun was defective. Is this something easy to fix by a gunsmith or will it cost alot. I am not comfortable taking the gun apart, which can make for a dangerous situation if I do not put together properly. Does any any one have any advice as to what to do. Thank you in advance.
 
Read your manual. A new shotgun should be cleaned to remove any rust preservative shipping grease if its a new gun or to clean up any residue left by the previous owner on a used shotgun. Your manual should have instructions on how to disassemble and clean your gun.

Some semi auto shotguns have a magazine cut of switch that blocks feeding of rounds when engaged. If your shotgun has this feature it may be engaged. Such functions are covered in the manual.

When you loaded your shotgun you should have loaded shells into the magazine first and then when you wanted to shoot cycled the bolt manually to feed the first round from the magazine tube into the chamber rather than dropping a round into the chamber first. If there was an issue in feeding from the magazine it would have been apparent before your started shooting.
 
Thank you Steve and Cvans for your advice. I did not disassemble the gun, but i did clean it using hobbs 9. The gun did not come with a manual in the box. But a do appreciate the advice. At this time I left the gun with a gunsmith so I am unable to examine it carefully, but i do not remember seeing an engage switch any where. I will make sure next time to do as you suggested, drop shells in magazine and pull bolt manually, rather than drop into chamber first. Thank you again very much.
 
The manual is available online (I just read it). Please get a copy for your records and refer to it frequently.

the gun looks like a typical beretta gas operated clone. Also it does not have a cutoff switch, so no worries there.

if you used Hoppes 9, you may have used the solvent, not the lubricant, and thereby washed the lubricant out of the gun. Lubricant should be applied. And it’s okay to run the gun a little “wet” because you may need just a little break-in period. Don’t be too forceful with it, but you should not baby the gun. It doesn’t require it.
 
shotgun07

Well at this point I think it's safe to say you're on your own to get it repaired. You might try to find out who the importer is of your Turkish made shotgun to see if they have any sort of customer service network in your area or if they could recommend a gunsmith to get it fixed. If that doesn't work out you might want to see if any of your friends know of somebody who could look at it and give you an estimate.

I would also make a definite note not to buy any more guns from ST Auction!
 
Thank you bannockburn and Sovblocgunfan. I did clean the gun with both the Hoppes 9 solvent and lubricant. I would appreciate it if you can send me the link to the manuel. I have left the gun with a recommended gunsmith in Orange county Virginia. Just hope the repair does not end up costing more than the gun, or my wife is going to end up shooting me with it:). This is my second gun. My first was a used pump action Sears/ Higgins and it works beautifully. The turkish one was going to be my second and last one. I am disappointed in STAuction. I did not ask them for a refund just to help pay for any repair.
 
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I'm sorry you're having problems with your new gun. I'm also sorry about your reluctance to disassemble it. IMO, part of learning to operate a gun properly and competently, which I'm sure you want to do, is to be at least able to field strip it. I'm willing to bet there's a YouTube video post on how to do it for your specific gun. I'm also willing to bet that your major problem is going to be diagnosed by your gunsmith as "it just needs to get broken in". You're going to be happier with that gun when you know how to field strip it, clean it and lubricate it, and when you get it broken in so it operates 100% as it should. Then your wife will also be happier with you. Best wishes, good luck and welcome to the forum.
 
Ok Thank you wiscoaster. I will look into some youtube videos. I am happy to hear that most feel that it is a matter of lubricating and breaking in. I would rather believe that than think I was sold a defective gun.
 
I had a similar malfunction with a new, italian made pump action. A piece of foreign matter (plastic) was in the mechanism. Others have given you sound advice. Get the manual and learn it, then when you get the gun back, take the time to learn at least basic disassembly for light maintenance and cleaning, known as a "field strip." Most modern gun mechanisms are not especially complicated compared to designs from even 30 years ago. With a minimum of skill and ability, the average person can disassemble and reassemble with relative ease.
 
shotgun07 said:
Great thank you for the manual link. I will contact the maker rather than the retailer.
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there is an Arkansas address in the manual that you should refer to for sending your gun in for service. Fedarm has a service location there, and you’ll want to send your shotgun there should it prove problematic in future.
 
Great Thank you. They are at Fort Smith Arkansas. They we have a lot of sales on gunbroker.com
 
Thank you sovblocgunfan for the manuel. I read the whole thing. I think the gun is not under warranty, the manuel said:
"This agreement and the warranties contained herein do not apply to OEM manufactured firearms, firearms sold without warranties, or some firearms sold by non-listed/certified FedArm dealers."

STAuction which I think is the username of FEDARM on gunbroker.com said in the sale contract:
"This shotgun is brand new in box inventory, but is excess custom-made inventory that a big box store that canceled their order. It is in good new working order but without manufacturer support or warranty. It is a BRAND-NEW SHOTGUN and all run great."
and "Return policy is set maximum 14 days after shipment and for un-fired firearms only. "

So I guess my best option is to field strip and lubricate or have the gunsmith check it out.
I do not think the problem is with the gas cycling mechanism because the shell is bushed out from the magazine. My guess, the problem is with one of these:
KG07 Carrier Latch Spring KG08 Carrier Latch Button Pin KG09 Carrier Latch Button Spring. What do you guys think?
 
shotgun07 said:
This shotgun is brand new in box inventory, but is excess custom-made inventory that a big box store that canceled their order. It is in good new working order but without manufacturer support or warranty.
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That sounds like total unadulterated BS to me. Something’s rotten in Denmark. The manufacturer should warranty the shotgun.
 
What shells are you using? I had a similar Turkish Semi-Auto, but sporting model. It would fling Remington handicap hulls 15 feet. Estate shells would constantly jam, and the empties would fall at my feet, or get 6 feet at the most. It may be the shells you had don't have enough oomph to cycle the action, as some of those Turkish guns have a wonky hybrid gas-and-inertia hybrid action.
 
shotgun07 said:
Thank you sovblocgunfan for the manuel. I read the whole thing. I think the gun is not under warranty, the manuel said:
"This agreement and the warranties contained herein do not apply to OEM manufactured firearms, firearms sold without warranties, or some firearms sold by non-listed/certified FedArm dealers."

STAuction which I think is the username of FEDARM on gunbroker.com said in the sale contract:
"This shotgun is brand new in box inventory, but is excess custom-made inventory that a big box store that canceled their order. It is in good new working order but without manufacturer support or warranty. It is a BRAND-NEW SHOTGUN and all run great."
and "Return policy is set maximum 14 days after shipment and for un-fired firearms only. "

So I guess my best option is to field strip and lubricate or have the gunsmith check it out.
I do not think the problem is with the gas cycling mechanism because the shell is bushed out from the magazine. My guess, the problem is with one of these:
KG07 Carrier Latch Spring KG08 Carrier Latch Button Pin KG09 Carrier Latch Button Spring. What do you guys think?
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About the warranty. No, I do not think you are correct. The gun is warrantied but NOT by your seller. It’s a new gun that doesn’t cycle the cartridge lifter. If cleaning/lube/reassembly doesnt solve, and using different ammo is ineffective, then the manufacturer has a duty to review your shotgun in good faith under warranty.

the seller, on the other hand, is a retailer who is telling you he’s not warrantying your shotgun. That’s what the factory warranty is for.

also, something I’ve thought about just now-what about your mount? Some shotguns (dunno if gas guns are like this too) will “short cycle” if you do not have a firm enough mount to the shoulder. Recoil will drive the entire gun backward and as a result the bolt assembly will not travel it’s designed path far enough to cycle the action completely.
 
We still don't know what loads you were using. It may just be a load that the shotgun doesn't like? There are hundreds of YouTube videos of Turkish semi-autos that won't cycle bird shot or target loads out-of-the-box, but cycle buck shot just fine. Unfortunately, many of them have a break-in period where only hotter loads will cycle the gun. Once the guns have been run a while with hotter loads and have broken in, they're then able to cycle target loads.
 
I use Federal Slugs. The range only allows slugs. I tried both 23/4 and 3" high brass shells. I included a photo.
 

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The shoulder mount/sling is interesting. But the first time I fired the gun it did not have a shoulder mount and I was using 23/4 slug shells, can not quite remember the brand of shells, it kept jamming but I remember that at one point it did properly cycle one shot. I figured the problem must be the 23/4 sized shells since the chamber said on it 3". So the next time, I had mounted the shoulder sling and used the federal 3" shells shown above and it kept jamming even more, even though I clean the gun with Hoppes 9 solvent and lubricant after each time at the range.
I sent email to FEDARM but still no response. Sovblocgunfan, you say to contact the factory, where in Turkey? I do not think that will work. I will Just tell the gunsmith to work on it and hope for the best and put in a dispute with the credit card, I think that is all I can do. I am getting no where with STAuction, FEDARM, Gunbroker.com, etc.
 
Interestingly, when I dropped the gun at the gunsmith a week or so ago (he has not started working on it yet), a customer there said "can i give you my professional opinion" I said sure, he said "melt it and make fishing rods and go fishing" A little nasty I thought. Hope he is not right.
 
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