My regional manager would have a heart attack...

[akodo]

i will concur with these guys

There is a BIG difference between letting people know you are a shooter, and talking about guns, and offering to take them shooting. There is nothing wrong with that info.

Revealing your CCW is a whole different kettle of fish. It happens, but when it happens out and about, the chances of dealing with the 1-2 people who saw it ever again are slim to none, hence, as they don;'t knwo you, they realyl can't tell anyone 'joe blankman is carrying'. Once people in your workplace see it, that knowledge will spread, which puts yourself at a big disadvantage. This increases the chance your car will be broken into (maybe his gun is in there) and if an irate employee ever returns, they will know to 'take joe blankman out first! he is carrying). For CCW, the element of suprise is a strong tactical advantage, and for the criminal, not knowing who could be carrying is a deterent. This is blown once you have established taht you and no one else has a gun at the workplace.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Document this somehow. Take a note and date it, do similar stuff when other discussions take place. Mention to your HR person 'engaged me in a political discussion on issues we are not in agreement on, i felt uncomfortable because he was in managment'

This is the kind of stuff that can save your ass and cause the managment to hang themselves.

Can't really nail you for 'discussion of firearms' if you have records of THEM initating 'discussion of firearms' even if it is anti 2nd amendment statements

-akodo

I think this sums it up. If your company wants no guns at the work site, no problem. However, advising people to not discuss guns, and saying knowledge of guns=violence is stepping over the line.

As for a manager asking you to join the Brady Campaign, that is stepping over the line. That would be like a company asking you to vote for one candidate over another, etc.

Document it, and use this info in the future. However, I would also be looking for another job as well. This place clearly has decided to be anti, and I would prefer to take my skills and talents elsewhere. Thankyou very much

 

[Nashmack]

Update.

I now have the support of not only my coworkers, but also my Supervisor, Branch Manager, and the truck drivers who deliver our goods every morning (the driver for Sunday morning was actually carrying, I happened to overhear him talking about it with another of my coworkers, the driver initiated the conversation.)

I've also found 3 lawyers who will take my case pro bono if my company decides to take any actions against me whatsoever.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Good for you. Get your ducks in line, and then just lie low in ambush, waiting for the suits to walk into a trap. T'would serve them right. (Especially the one who tried to proposition you for the Brady Bunch.)

 

[Tried'nTrue]

I'm glad you took the initiative, Nashmack, to contact some lawyers and be pro-active in this affair. I'm very glad to hear that many of the people in your company are supportive of firearm ownership

 

[TonkinTwentyMil]

A Prediction:

If...

1. The Republicans lose control of Congress this November, and...

2. Hillary wins in '08...

... we'll be seeing a spitpot of threads just like this one.

Get ready to be crucified, marginalized, pacified -- and punished -- my fellow 2A supporters. Y'all's just gonna love the forthcoming mega-doses of PC NannySheepleState attitude/thought control that's gonna be shoved down our knuckle-draggin', violence-prone, Neanderthal (*cough*) throats.

But take heart, folks. It'll all be For The Common good. And... The Children

Been there. Seen the movie (in 1992-2000).

 

[Nashmack]

If the Demo-rats win, then they're going to have to pry my firearms out of my cold dead fingers. As it is I'm stocking up on 30 round magazines because I know that in the event of another Demo-rat regime the price of hi-caps is going to soar...

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Tonkin

Hilary will never win in '08. There is just absolutely no chance. I am not sexist but there will never be a female president without there first being a female vice president. Hilary in '08 is just a lame scare tactic by a bunch of neo-cons that have horribly mismanaged this country and are aware that most people have come around and realized it. They know that most americans are tired of their over spending, shipping jobs overseas, corporate favoritism and mishandle of the war and the economy and this is the only way they can think of to try and scare peope into voting them in again. So do not lose any sleep thinking Hilary is going to be president. She isn't.

 

[Nashmack]

How bout a Libertarian PlayboyPenguin?

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

How bout a Libertarian PlayboyPenguin?

Well, I am afraid it is unlikely seeing how much control the far left and far right have of our political system but you never know...how bad could they screw it up anyway. I am almost a libertarian but I still have that side of me that says you have to have some judicial/authoritarian oversight or mob mentality will rule.

 

[halfgone]

*trying not to hijack...

but in regards to mob-rule, y'all should check out the _Anti-Federalist Papers_, the signet edition has a great intro basically outlining the knife's edge line between strong, central government and mob rule. Oh the blessings of a constitutional republic. If only we could have kept it.

Back on track...

good on ya Nashmack. Fight the good fight and keep converting them to freedom's side.

HG

 

[SSN Vet]

something to add....

New Hampshire is an "employ at will" state. My understanding is that the labor laws favor the employer in most employment disputes.

Political side note....this is likely not insignificant to very good economy & low un-employment enjoyed here in NH. Businesses migrate from Maine and Mass to NH every day.

 

[Nashmack]

Correct SSN. An employer in NH does not need a reson to terminate your employment. As for the job market, while they may not be glamorous, many of the minimum wage brigade are currently hiring.

 

[MD_Willington]

"Knowledge of weapons?" What are you supposed to do, go get a lobotomy so as to destroy your knowledge?

I was thinking the same thing... there sure are a lot of pointy writing implements and sharp scissors in the supply room... I even have test equipment in my cubicle that weighs enough to crush someones skull if I dropped it on their head.

 

[V4Vendetta]

"I've also found 3 lawyers who will take my case pro bono if my company decides to take any actions against me whatsoever."

Wow. Do those lawyers have any pro-gun lawyer friends in NC? I could use a good lawyer on hand. Never know when they might be needed. I'm glad you have the support of your fellow employees. Strength in numbers.

 

[Devonai]

There is a reason why work I prefer armed security work. Nobody ever questions the presence or necessity of a weapon.

In all other cases, my policy was "don't ask, don't tell, concealed means concealed."

 

[BullfrogKen]

Lawyers, Guns, and Money

Now that you've reached to need to contact legal counsel, lobby for support amongst coworkers, and begun documenting every misstep your management makes, doesn't it seem wearisome and distracting from actually earning a living?


I referred to this kind of drama and defensive posturing needed to remain gainfully employed when I mentioned not making the place I earn a living the battle of a culture war. Maybe some others here are OK fighting this battle to keep a job and while at the same time enjoy your desire to broadcast the fact you are armed. It would stress me to no end.

 

[Nashmack]

Bullfrogken, I actually find the battle to be a kind of a stress reliever from the pressures of making sure everything at the branch stays together, as opposed to falling to pieces.