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My Savage 111 just became a lot more fun!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by MacTech, Jan 27, 2013.

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  1. MacTech

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    On Dec. 31, I picked up a used, but in decent shape, Pre-accutrigger Savage 111 in .30-06, beechwood stock with pressed checkering, 4 round blind magazine, and Williams iron sights, a good, solid basic rifle

    I've shot a couple boxes of factory loaded 180GN out of it, and have been pleased with the results, with my bad eyes and iron sights, I'm getting groups of about 1" at 50Y, I know the gun is capable of better, and I'm the cause of the mediocre groups, I'm sure they'll tighten up with a decent scope, but as it stands right now, the gun shoots Minute-Of-Deer and that's perfectly fine with me, if I want to chase one-holers, I break out my scoped CZ Ultralux anyway, the Sav111 is a utility/general purpose gun, nothing more

    Anyway, I had been reading up on subsonic and downloaded loads for the '06, and I found a recipie that works brilliantly well for my intended purpose....

    The purpose is short-range plinking, with low noise and low recoil, also as a training round for people who are recoil-shy.....

    So, using what I have on hand, I assembled the following load;
    CCI Benchrest LR primer
    Federal brass (free, from my last '06 that I traded a few years ago)
    14.3 grains of Trail Boss powder (fills the cartridge about 3/4 of the way)
    Hornady Interlock SP 160 grain jacketed bullet

    Before loading the recipie, I seated a bullet long in an unfired case, then closed the bolt on it to get the OAL for the rifle,

    Once the rounds had been loaded up, I went out to my 25Y backyard range with the first five cartridges, set my sights on target, and pulled the trigger.....

    The gun emitted a loud POP!, a little louder then a .22 Mag, and the target rocked back hard from a solid strike, there was no recoil to speak of, no more than a .22 Mag, the test was a success, I had a quiet, no recoil plinking load for my '06, it was amazingly fun, I'm still smiling thinking about it now

    Logan, my nephew was there as well, he saw me shoot the '06 with full power factory loads at the range yesterday, and he was rather intimidated by the gun, he definitely did not want to shoot it, it was the biggest, loudest gun he has yet seen and heard (he's 11 years old) he was happier punching quarter sized groups on the 50Y range with my Ultralux (his first time on a commercial range, his first time shooting 50Y, and he was grouping quarter sized groups....)

    So, today, seeing me shoot that same intimidating rifle with no recoil and a quiet report, I asked him if he wanted to try the Trail Boss rounds....

    He did.... And he did quite well, I shot the first two rounds as a function test, and he happily finished off the last three

    Lets just say, the expression of an eleven year old after firing his first real center fire rifle was quite memorable, couldn't wipe the grin of his face, he was actually disappointed that I only had five rounds on me....

    So, once we went back inside the house, I grabbed my Lee hand press kit, dies, and components for the Trail Boss load, and taught him how to hand load rifle cartridges (he already has his own MEC Jr. 28 gauge shots he'll press, so he's got the basics down)

    He loaded up five more TB rounds, beaming with pride, but when I asked him if he wanted to shoot them, he said he wanted to keep them as souvenirs of his first time shooting a center fire rifle, and his first homemade handloads

    Long post short, these TB rounds work brilliantly for their intended purpose and in my rifle, I will be making more…

    I'll do a 50Y accuracy test the next time I hit the range

    ...oh, and these rounds were phenomenally clean as well, the bore looks unfired after five rounds
     
  2. sixgunner455

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    That's pretty cool! One of the reasons I've avoided owning a .30-06 is I never enjoyed shooting factory ammo through one. Now that I reload ... hmm.

    There was a really pretty Remington 700 BDL with iron sights on it at the LGS last night.
     
  3. MacTech

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    I've been playing with my subsonic load recipie, I tried two more loads;

    1; 14.5 grains Trailboss under a 165 grain SP
    2; 14.5 grains Trailboss under a 135 grain SP
    3; 17.9 grains Trailboss under a 135 grain SP

    Load 1 was the original and is a great, balanced load, quiet, soft shooting, no recoil to speak of, seems to hit somewhat hard

    Load 2 was a tad louder and ironically, actually had a little more recoil than load 1, nothing unpleasant, but just enough motion to let you know you were firing a center fire rifle

    Load 3 seemed to be the most balanced, a tad more recoil than load 2, a bit more than a .22 Mag, noticeably louder, twice as loud as load 1, yet still subsonic, no sonic boom, it also seemed to shoot flatter and hit a LOT harder, I think this will be my primary plinking/varmint/small predator disposal round (we have problems with coy-dog coyote/dog hybrids and our livestock and companion animals), load 3 shows potential

    I was shooting at a few tennis balls that had frozen into the ground in front of my backdrop, with each hit, it sent felt flying at least 15-20 feet in the air' clearly dumping a LOT of energy into the target

    Logan tried the two new loads as well, his favorite? He couldn't decide, he liked the easy shooting and low recoil of load 2, but LOVED how load 3 decimated the tennis balls

    Needless to say, I am seriously loving this rifle now, the versatility of the '06 still amazes me, it can handle anything from my ultralight plinking loads, to real shoulder-busters capable of taking any game on the North American continent (not that I hunt with it, that is, but it's nice to know the capability is there
     
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    Wonder what your velocity is when loaded like that?
     
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    We may have a bigger feral canid problem than I thought.....

    This morning, we discovered in our field, the remains of a deer carcass, completely gutted, lying on it's left side, and MISSING it's right side, the right side is completely gone, the deer was a "teenaged" deer, there was a path of white fur from the edge of the field to where it lay, it had clearly been attacked then dragged to its current location

    I'm thinking either wolves or coyotes

    A chill goes up my spine when I realize my 8 year old niece was walking up to our house through the field last night (around sunset......)

    So, I had to put my subsonic '06 rounds to the test....

    testing Load 1 at the range, at 50y with light wind to my back, it prints about 3" below POA, and groups are about 1" apart' , but remember, this is with the factory iron sights, not a scope

    Not a tack driving load, no, but easily Minute of Coyote, and appears to hit much harder than a .22 Mag

    I'd imagine Load 3 will shoot flatter and closer to POA

    I also shot a three shot group of Winchester 165 GN factory ammo, very punchy, unpleasant recoil, BUT I was able to have two of the shots touching at 50y, I pulled the third, which opened the group to 1" if I don't count the flinch, I can cover the other two with a nickel, again, this was with the factory irons

    Not bad for an old used Savage that cost me a whopping $230, it's definitely a shooter, and a keeper
     
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    I just did another penetration test with the subsonic load, I was able to blow a hole clean through an old Connor IDE hard drive!

    It punched clean through and still had enough energy to exit the drive. The hole appeared to be about 45 caliber in diameter

    it looks like this round is going to have no problems putting down coyotes or bobcats
     
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    That does sound like a lot of fun! Reduced subsonic loads have been interesting me lately. Does this load make enough sound to warrant hearing protection? I'm also seriously considering 30cal suppressor that will do triple duty on other rifles.
     
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    Yes, hearing protection is required

    I really want to chrono this load, but don't have access to one, nor do I know anyone I can borrow one from

    Judging from how easily it punched through a steel hard drive casing and with energy left over to shatter the controller card on the back of the drive and still knock over a structural cardboard tube behind it, it's got some power to it
     
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    Pretty cool, let us know how it does on a yote.
    Good job with the kid.
     
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    Heh, I was able to scrounge up three more hard drives, I feel another test coming on....

    I'm going to duct tape all three together, and see how far load #3 gets, how many drives it penetrates, and how much of a factor location is....

    The previous drive was shot in the upper right corner of the drive, it had just the top case, three steel hard drive platters, the bottom steel case and the controller board to punch through, which it did, cleanly and with energy to spare....

    If the shot had landed dead center, it would have hit the main platter motor instead, and would probably not have penetrated, if it did, it would probably have shattered the casing and not exited, probably would have dislodged the platter motor

    If the shot landed in the bottom left, it would have encountered the voice coil magnets that control the read/write heads, and the steel brackets that hold the powerful Neodymium magnets in place, those magnets are brittle, so there's a very real possibility that the bullet could have punched through that corner

    Basically, the strongest portion of a hard drive, ballistically, is the center, where the platter motor is located

    I'll make sure to line the drives up so the location of platter motor and voice coil magnets are the same in all three

    Should have the experiment done by this Sunday at the latest

    I'm betting Load 3 will not make it far into the second drive, if shot in the upper right or lower left corners, and may not even make it past the first if shot dead center into the platter motor

    Place your bets! ;)
     
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