Christianninja
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Don't listen to the superstitious folks, that thing looks awesome.
I want it.
I want it.
My ugly new 1991A1 Colt, (Blood damaged)
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Sam1911
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Very interesting gun!
I think I know exactly what I'd do with it.
I would check it out carefully to make sure the frame and slide are o.k, then probably use it to build up a "sleeper" competition/carry pistol replacing the barrel and whatever other internals could use an upgrade. (Didn't the 1991A1s have plastic triggers & such?)
Once you deal with the fact that its factory finish and smooth lines are "ruined" it does have a certain organic beauty to it. Kind of like a George Nakashima table with straight, man-made lines that abut flowing natural features like live edges.
I wonder if it could be stripped, maybe wire-brushed and hit with naval jelly to kill the rust, buffed as-is, and re-blued? No, no...CLEAR COATED! Just consider it an unusual surface finish, like some weird etching design.
I'd build it as a "Rat Rod" pistol. I have friends into the RR hot rod scene and they would vote both thumbs up on the style, for sure. The grittier the better, but with great internals. I'd even keep the grips and safety, etc. Now to construct a distressed black leather and barbed-wire holster for it!
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I think I know exactly what I'd do with it.
I would check it out carefully to make sure the frame and slide are o.k, then probably use it to build up a "sleeper" competition/carry pistol replacing the barrel and whatever other internals could use an upgrade. (Didn't the 1991A1s have plastic triggers & such?)
Once you deal with the fact that its factory finish and smooth lines are "ruined" it does have a certain organic beauty to it. Kind of like a George Nakashima table with straight, man-made lines that abut flowing natural features like live edges.
I wonder if it could be stripped, maybe wire-brushed and hit with naval jelly to kill the rust, buffed as-is, and re-blued? No, no...CLEAR COATED! Just consider it an unusual surface finish, like some weird etching design.
I'd build it as a "Rat Rod" pistol. I have friends into the RR hot rod scene and they would vote both thumbs up on the style, for sure. The grittier the better, but with great internals. I'd even keep the grips and safety, etc. Now to construct a distressed black leather and barbed-wire holster for it!
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Hunter0924
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That is an "interesting" looking Colt (though I would loose the trigger shoe).
I wonder if some polishing and hard chroming would hide it's pitting? Then again I reckon you like that used look.
I wonder if some polishing and hard chroming would hide it's pitting? Then again I reckon you like that used look.
I happen to believe in Karma. That gun is a murder weapon. That's bad JooJoo baby. I would not want to own it at all, let alone pay more than what remaining parts are worth. Double that $300 and you could have bought a used 1911 in near perfect condition.
MassMark
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I like it...I'd tear it down, clean the bejeebus out of it, replace some springs and try an preserve the look "as is".... Nice find.
Just remember that you asked for opinions.
IMO the gun is ruined and I wouldn't pay $5 for it.
If you are happy with it and are glad you bought it then what anyone else thinks doesn't matter. But to me the gun is worthless.
Being a murder weapon doesn't bother me a bit (although I am surprised it was ever released by the cops since it may be needed for evidence in any future hearings like appeals). I have numerous military and police guns that possible were used to kill and one handgun that I know for a fact did. Just tools, remember? What bothers me is the condition. Pitting is forever and can't be fixed.
IMO the gun is ruined and I wouldn't pay $5 for it.
If you are happy with it and are glad you bought it then what anyone else thinks doesn't matter. But to me the gun is worthless.
Being a murder weapon doesn't bother me a bit (although I am surprised it was ever released by the cops since it may be needed for evidence in any future hearings like appeals). I have numerous military and police guns that possible were used to kill and one handgun that I know for a fact did. Just tools, remember? What bothers me is the condition. Pitting is forever and can't be fixed.
Phydeaux642
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That's creepy. Maybe if it had some historical significance...no...that's just creepy.
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Sam1911
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On second thought:
Instead of comp-carry, I'd clean it up well, make sure its reliable, and make it my "good-night" gun that goes under my pillow when I sleep!
Somebody's got to offer a counterpoint to all this "Crossing Over" fluff!
Actually, you don't know the details of the case, I'd assume. For all you know the "murder" was a legitimate self-defense shooting in a jurisdiction with an anti-self-defense DA and everything went south for the shooter in trial. That gun may have saved someone's life! (Just to, presumably, find themselves in jail when it was all said and done.) That gun could be just BRIMMING OVER with GOOD karma!
Or it could be a piece of steel with nothing more ephemeral than an interesting story behind it.
-Sam
Instead of comp-carry, I'd clean it up well, make sure its reliable, and make it my "good-night" gun that goes under my pillow when I sleep!
Somebody's got to offer a counterpoint to all this "Crossing Over" fluff!
Actually, you don't know the details of the case, I'd assume. For all you know the "murder" was a legitimate self-defense shooting in a jurisdiction with an anti-self-defense DA and everything went south for the shooter in trial. That gun may have saved someone's life! (Just to, presumably, find themselves in jail when it was all said and done.) That gun could be just BRIMMING OVER with GOOD karma!
Or it could be a piece of steel with nothing more ephemeral than an interesting story behind it.
-Sam
Jimmypop97
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+1 on the "I thought the police deparment destroyed stuff like that comment".
Was it a "murder" weapon, or was it a "used in self-defense" weapon? I think that if it were a true murder weapon, it would not be returned. If it were a self defense weapon and no charges were filed, then that would be cause for it to be returned.
Was it a "murder" weapon, or was it a "used in self-defense" weapon? I think that if it were a true murder weapon, it would not be returned. If it were a self defense weapon and no charges were filed, then that would be cause for it to be returned.
Autolycus
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I would not buy a murder weapon. But that is just me.
Either way, good luck cleaning it up.
Either way, good luck cleaning it up.
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CSA 357
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I Have Had Guns That Were Pitted From Blood,but My God That One Was Soaked In It! Was Someone Shot With It , Or Beat To Death:?
Well,
I'm glad the Rad Rod guys 'get it'
sometimes Ugly can be beautifull.
Thats a good point about it possibly being a self defense weapon where the overzealous DA prosecuted a legitimate defensive use. (happens all the time here in CA)
I'll try to figure out a bit more of the history on the gun. it might be difficult to do that in a tactfull manner though, I don't want to come off as a ghoul.
I'm glad the Rad Rod guys 'get it'
sometimes Ugly can be beautifull.
Thats a good point about it possibly being a self defense weapon where the overzealous DA prosecuted a legitimate defensive use. (happens all the time here in CA)
I'll try to figure out a bit more of the history on the gun. it might be difficult to do that in a tactfull manner though, I don't want to come off as a ghoul.
Gator
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That thing sure doesn't look safe to fire to me, I hope you don't get hurt.
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sammoh
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Wow, one ugly gun. I hope it was worth to you your money and time. It wouldn't worth it to me. I'd be afraid to squeeze the trigger on that thing with a live round in it -- might lose a finger or two, maybe worse.
That said, I never knew police released murder weapons. I was under the impression that the PDs kept such things in case the files ever need to be re-opened ie. appeals.
Anyway, I'm not LEO nor do I claim to be an expert at what LEOs do with evidence but from my limited dealings with them and from the few I've had a chance to actually converse with, those kinds of things don't end up back in public hands.
I'd be really sore were I you if your colorful history turns up to be that the guy who sold you your pistol had just sold you a gun that was beaten up and abused and made off like a bandit.
Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
Sam
That said, I never knew police released murder weapons. I was under the impression that the PDs kept such things in case the files ever need to be re-opened ie. appeals.
Anyway, I'm not LEO nor do I claim to be an expert at what LEOs do with evidence but from my limited dealings with them and from the few I've had a chance to actually converse with, those kinds of things don't end up back in public hands.
I'd be really sore were I you if your colorful history turns up to be that the guy who sold you your pistol had just sold you a gun that was beaten up and abused and made off like a bandit.
Just my 1/50th of a dollar.
Sam
Bill2e
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Interesting
Very interesting to say the least, I just don't think I could buy a gun that was involved in a murder. That's just me, but I would fight like hell to get my gun back if involved in a self defense shooting.
Good luck with it and what ever you do with it.
Very interesting to say the least, I just don't think I could buy a gun that was involved in a murder. That's just me, but I would fight like hell to get my gun back if involved in a self defense shooting.
Good luck with it and what ever you do with it.
biscuitninja
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Blood contains ALOT of iron. We are mostly water, you do the math. I would completely have to redo that gun. The strength has been comprised and will not be able withstand any big loads. Anyways good luck
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stevereno1
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I'd use a blowtorch to render it a pile of slag out of remorse for the family of said victim.
walking arsenal
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Congrats on your new gun.
If it shoots alright think about having it refinished.
Then give it a happier life than it's previous owner.
Maybe make it your carry or home defense piece.
Wouldn't that be ironic?
If it shoots alright think about having it refinished.
Then give it a happier life than it's previous owner.
Maybe make it your carry or home defense piece.
Wouldn't that be ironic?
Joe Demko
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I went back and re-examined the photos. Did the guy you gave the $350 demand that you "squeal like a pig?" I personally don't keep souveniers of murderers, but that aside, that gun is a corroded, pitted piece of junk that I wouldn't have paid that much for no matter how it got that way.
We aren't talking "rugged beauty" here. We're talking "ruins of a once fine piece of equipment."
You got boned so hard that you and the guy who sold it to you should now be engaged.
We aren't talking "rugged beauty" here. We're talking "ruins of a once fine piece of equipment."
You got boned so hard that you and the guy who sold it to you should now be engaged.
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Thats a murder weapon, it should be destroyed. Would you buy a car that killed a child?
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"I'd use a blowtorch to render it a pile of slag out of remorse for the family of said victim."
ok, money where your mouth is time. would you buy ajax a new pistol to replace this one if he agrees to slag it? yeah, i thought not.
a gun is a tool. if someone misuses it blame the user not the tool. it doesnt matter what a gun has been used for, never destroy a good gun because someone cases harm with it. thats like the biblical times killing a woman cause some piece of crap rapes her and spoils her. its as sick as the original crime to me.
ok, money where your mouth is time. would you buy ajax a new pistol to replace this one if he agrees to slag it? yeah, i thought not.
a gun is a tool. if someone misuses it blame the user not the tool. it doesnt matter what a gun has been used for, never destroy a good gun because someone cases harm with it. thats like the biblical times killing a woman cause some piece of crap rapes her and spoils her. its as sick as the original crime to me.
jaholder1971
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My late father was a cop and his last assignment before he retired was Property and Impound Sergeant.
Police departments have several options in handling seized evidence: It can be returned upon the order of the prosecutor or the judge, it can be destroyed or it can be held pending appeals.
Sometimes defense attorneys will petition that evidence property be given to them as part of their payment for services rendered, especially if the pieces are NICE. There were a number of lawyers in the area who have nice collections of guns courtesy of their dirtbag dope dealer clients.
Evidence that isn't returned to the defendant or isn't claimed will be held for a period of time before the Police department will request from the courts an order to convert this evidence in order to destroy or sell it. This is done with everything left over eventually. The police make a request whether they want to sell it or destroy it but it's up to the judge in the end.
Cars are usually auctioned off or sealed bids let. Dope is destroyed. Firearms are either destroyed or traded to FFL's for credit to purchase stuff like Glocks, patrol rifles, etc. Everything else is usually sold at auction.
I suspect this piece was a police trade in to an FFL who put it online to sell hoping someone ghoulish would pick it up at a premium.
Police departments have several options in handling seized evidence: It can be returned upon the order of the prosecutor or the judge, it can be destroyed or it can be held pending appeals.
Sometimes defense attorneys will petition that evidence property be given to them as part of their payment for services rendered, especially if the pieces are NICE. There were a number of lawyers in the area who have nice collections of guns courtesy of their dirtbag dope dealer clients.
Evidence that isn't returned to the defendant or isn't claimed will be held for a period of time before the Police department will request from the courts an order to convert this evidence in order to destroy or sell it. This is done with everything left over eventually. The police make a request whether they want to sell it or destroy it but it's up to the judge in the end.
Cars are usually auctioned off or sealed bids let. Dope is destroyed. Firearms are either destroyed or traded to FFL's for credit to purchase stuff like Glocks, patrol rifles, etc. Everything else is usually sold at auction.
I suspect this piece was a police trade in to an FFL who put it online to sell hoping someone ghoulish would pick it up at a premium.
stevereno1
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Rusty-I wouldn't replace it for him, but i'd give him $50 for it and return it to him as a paperweight.
nwilliams
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Are we talking about a "good" gun here? Did I miss something?
Sorry I just wouldn't want to own anything associated with a murder, you don't have to be superstitious to have a uneasy feeling about stuff like that. I also don't see guns as simply tools, I know some people do. In my eyes a hammer is a tool, a gun is different IMHO. Furthermore I wouldn't want a gun that was used in a murder just because it doesn't represent an aspect of guns that I embrace. I don't have any problem with guns used to kill in self defense or in war, but I'd be happy if there existed no guns that were ever used for murder.
Still if you don't know all the facts about the gun its very possible that the gun was in the hand of a bad guy shot down by a good guy (or gal), that's how I would like to think of it.
All personal thoughts on owning a murder weapon aside, I just wouldn't spend that much money on a gun in that condition.
The pitting/cosmetic wear is much too extensive for my tastes.
However, if you enjoy shooting it and it makes you happy, more power to ya!
The pitting/cosmetic wear is much too extensive for my tastes.
However, if you enjoy shooting it and it makes you happy, more power to ya!
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