My UPS guy and OPSEC after several large ammo purchases

[Good&Fruity]

Over the last few months I've ordered...more than a few cases of ammo. Today, he had a strange look on his face. He seems like a guy in his own world, with one of those handlebar moustaches, but I can't help but wonder if he is the weak link in my opsec. I hope he doesn't rob me or tell his friends that I have a ton of ammo, and likely a bunch of guns to go with it.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Maybe the doctor just told him he has cancer or his wife left him for the Fed-Ex driver. Doin't worry about it if you did nothing illegal.

 

[Ramone]

wasn't it a UPS driver that reported the large amounts of ammo to the Branch Davidian folks that got that whole mess started?

 

[kingpin008]

wasn't it a UPS driver that reported the large amounts of ammo to the Branch Davidian folks that got that whole mess started?

It was a delivery of grenade hulls that broke open. That, and reports of sexual abuse of children by Koresh.

Either way - I'd not worry too much. If your house is properly hardened and your observation skills are decent, you'll probably be fine.

 

[Good&Fruity]

I'm not worried about anything illegal. I specifically stated my concerns.

I hope he doesn't rob me or tell his friends that I have a ton of ammo, and likely a bunch of guns to go with it.

 

[leadcounsel]

I have the same concerns. Not a lot you can do about it from the outside other than be really friendly with him, maybe a nice holiday gift or something to make him friendly.

On your home, harden your security on the outside and inside.

 

[Good&Fruity]

Nice thing about my house is that two of my neighbors are home during the day. The couple are retired, and my other neighbors wife is a stay at home mom. I've got that working for me, as they'd likely call the cops if anyone was trying to break into the place.

 

[marv]

My former UPS guy was my shooting buddy.

 

[splithoof]

For better OPSEC, you might find a way to have deliveries sent to another location where a trusted friend could take them in. Many internet ammunition sellers will let you add items to a cart, then snail-mail a payment, for which you can use a money order. Build your mailing identity through that other location, but be careful how you establish your credentials for legal purchase, if required. With some effort it can be done. Depending on where you reside, different methods may have to be considered. If all else fails, there is always the vacation road trip with ca$h.

 

[jakk280rem]

Would it be possible to work out something with your local gunshop?

 

[oneounceload]

Sounds like much ado about nothing. UPS drivers have 9-10 hours worth of deliveries to do in 8 hours - they just want to drop it off and go

 

[LawScholar]

Sounds like much ado about nothing. UPS drivers have 9-10 hours worth of deliveries to do in 8 hours - they just want to drop it off and go

This. I am responsible for sorting mail for an apartment building. There is far too much to do to really care about it.

 

[HorseSoldier]

That, and reports of sexual abuse of children by Koresh.

Yeah, the baby banging is what seriously put Koresh & Company on the law enforcement radar, even if guns and ATF were the final outcome of that radar blip.

 

[Good&Fruity]

Sounds like much ado about nothing. UPS drivers have 9-10 hours worth of deliveries to do in 8 hours - they just want to drop it off and go

You realize many have been caught stealing packages they were supposed to be delivering? Also, just because they deliver packages all day doesn't mean something heavy like several cases of ammo, clearly marked as ammo deliver to the same house over the last few months doesn't get their attention. For all I know, the guy could be a thief or knows thieves.

On the plus side, he usually leaves the packages in my back yard when I'm not home, and delivers to the front door when I am. So in some sense that's a good sign.

 

[leadcounsel]

For a fee you could use a common package delivery location like a Mailboxes Etc. But that will eat into the savings on the bulk ammo and going to pick it up.

 

[ShroomFish]

I would not worry too much about it, I mean c'mon he may have seemed in his own world cause maybe something bad happened in his family...

My problem with my UPS guy is he seems scared of my house, even on Sig Req. shipment he drops them and runs (literally runs)...

 

[Good&Fruity]

For a fee you could use a common package delivery location like a Mailboxes Etc. But that will eat into the savings on the bulk ammo and going to pick it up.

Yeah my corworkers suggested having packages delivered to work. They don't know about my hobby...kind of hard to explain or hide the contents of a 40lb package marked "7.62x39mm HUNTING CARTRIDGES" lol

 

[Ignition Override]

Maybe have a chat for a moment and try to read his id if legible.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

My problem with my UPS guy is he seems scared of my house, even on Sig Req. shipment he drops them and runs (literally runs)...

LMAO!

 

[BHP FAN]

''My problem with my UPS guy is he seems scared of my house, even on Sig Req. shipment he drops them and runs (literally runs)...''
wow! mine, too!

 

[ShroomFish]

@Apocalypse-Now

It is pretty funny anit it

@BHP FAN

We must be brother, separated at birth!

 

[Yeager]

You guys are way too paranoid.

I don't hide the fact that I own guns, I'm quite proud of it.

If I have to hide and become a social pariah, lurking in the shadows like a pedophile to enjoy a right it really isn't much of a right.

I really wouldn't give it a second thought, but I've had random people from Comcast, to the mailman in my flat looking at my guns.

 

[bikerdoc]

Yes you should be worried!!!

Gentlemen pay attention.

Since retiring I got a dream job at a gun store. I send out the internet ammo orders via UPS.
Fact, 99.99% of all drivers are super honest nice guys, who could care less what you bought.
The but is we have had problems with theft.

To their credit UPS has a great security dept and makes good on the product and prosecutes the perp.

OP, express your concerns to the local UPS terminal management. They are committed to customer service and realize the driver is the face of their company to the public.

If he does have a personal problem they got a great employee assistance program. Might be doing him a favor. If he just had a bad day he might get some reeducation. If his intentions are nefarious, they will stongly counsel all the drivers with an inservice on company policy.

Then harden and layer your home defenses.

 

[pockets]

He seems like a guy in his own world, with one of those handlebar moustaches, but I can't help but wonder if he is the weak link in my opsec.

No doubt, folks with mustaches cannot be trusted...especially the handlebar variety. Seriously?
Did you consider he may actually be thinking about something interesting, while doing the insanely boring job of hauling your package from his truck to your front door?
OPSEC? Is your house a military base or something?

I must agree with "much ado about nothing".
.

 

[Babarsac]

I've had plenty of ammo and C&R guns delivered right to my doorstep by UPS. Never had an issue or comment.