My walther p99 frame is cracked !

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  1. fastbolt

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    balance 740, it's not always possible to get answers to such questions.

    Believe it or not, not everyone working in the gun companies feel the need to keep up on every change made to the products, let alone the reasons for the changes. Major changes? Probably. Minor, ongoing revisions and subtle improvements? Not so much, it seems.

    Sometimes you might get lucky and be able to speak with an engineer, someone else involved in R&D, a program/product manager, etc who doesn't mind sharing some additional info with an armorer.

    Remember the original proprietary accessory rail on the P99's? How about the odd down-turned point on the grip frame above the web of the shooter's hand? Those things were eventually changed in the P99's to features requested by S&W in the frames they bought for their licensed models. (The rails to more easily conform to existing lights. The grip tang? Well, we were once told that S&W engineers wanted a smoother, less hooked grip tang to try and prevent shooter discomfort in the harder recoiling .40 models. Maybe so. Walther eventually adopted it, though.)

    All I heard about the change in the frame dimension in the area of the sear housing block at one point was that Walther felt it was an improvement. Okay ...

    The ambi slide stop assembly made sense (but required a different frame).

    I suppose someone thought the extended mag catch levers were a good idea (although I found the original ones easily used, myself).

    The 'ramp' inside the trigger guard, at the bottom (to presumably 'guide' the shooter's finger to proper placement against the trigger face, so it wouldn't be dragged along the bottom of the trigger guard)? Well, that went away, for whatever reason, when the trigger guard was revised. (At the request of some heavily gloved gov users on the international market, where Walther has a strong presence? Dunno. Wouldn't be surprised, though.)

    The newer sights and the clamping sleeve would seem to be an improvement. The thin side "ear" of the notch on the head of the rear sight base plunger could become damaged upon impact, allowing the rear sight base to move.

    There's been some other slight changes and improvements here & there, and I certainly don't pretend to have had the chance to learn of more than probably a few of them.

    I always wondered when/if Walther would design a way to incorporate the ejector into the sear housing without molding it in the housing. (The M&P pistol is an excellent example of how it could be done, although the M&P uses a steel housing block ... and they probably gained a fair amount of experience being the importers/warranty providers for Walthers, as well as selling/servicing the licensed SW99/990L's. ;) )

    Of course, when Walther designed the PPS they adopted a steel "housing" that not only incorporated the frame rails, but the ejector, as well.

    So, it wouldn't surprise if they'd found a way to incorporate some slight improvement in their frame at some point.

    I've only been exposed to maybe 60 examples of the 99 series over the years, most of which have been SW9940's (but some 9's in both SW99 & P99). Several have been used to fire several thousand rounds, and a couple (a 9 & a .40) have been used to fire more than 55K rounds (last time I asked the owner, which was more than a couple of years ago, and he's continued to shoot them a lot). I've only got a little over 12K rounds through mine (a compact 9, being the SW999c).

    I've had a couple damaged rear sights & plungers, a cracked slide end cap, a couple of mangled slide stop lever springs, a couple of weakened extractor springs (one each in a full-size SW999 and P99 9), a couple of broken ejectors (high round count guns, meaning many thousand on one gun and just over 50K on the other). The only cracked frame was that 9 with the case head blowout.

    I like the 99 series quite a bit, myself.
     
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  2. my99

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    It looks like KI. Which would make it a 1998 by your numbers. I also noticed today when looking at it more carefully. There is some pit marks on the inside of feed ramp port where bullet slides into barrel. What could cause that ? Man a sure picked a winner. Man it sucks that this thing has so many problems . I would love to be able to shoot this bad boy.
     
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    My Walther says KI which would make it a 1998 by your numbers. I also noticed today inside the barrel right past feed ramp where bullet goes in there is some pitting here and there. Any ideas what thats from. Could the guy before me put too hot of load in it and it blew the slide back so hard that it cracked the frame on the side ? Don't know ?
     
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    sorry guys didn't mean for it to post twice.didnt think it took the first time so I rewrote it.
     
  5. balance 740

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    Thank you for the reply fastbolt. You definitely have more experience with both the pistols and the company than I do, so I though I would ask.

    The change to that area of the grip is the only noticeable change from the 1st generation to the others that I don't understand. Some people complained about the "ski-hump" in the trigger guard rubbing their trigger finger, the tang on the grip was uncomfortable to some people with high grips, and I can count with one hand the amount of accessories that fit on that 1st generation proprietary rail. But I can't remember ever hearing a complaint about the area where the thumbs rest.

    The (very few) cracked frames on the P99 that I have heard of were all cracked in that area, so I thought that it may have been a reason for the change. But then again, that is also the area that would take the most damage from a bad round, so that may be the actual reason that the ones I heard of were cracked in that area. So I don't know.

    S&W didn't even import Walther pistols in 1998, and with the one year warranty, they really don't have a responsibility to fix this issue. But the good thing is that they have a history of helping people out with issues even when they aren't obliged to. I'm interested in what they will do in this situation, but from previous reports of people dealing with them, I can't think of another firearm company that I would want to deal with in this situation if I were you.

    Good luck my99, and please let us know how they handle this.
     
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    If I were going to engage in conjecture, I'd not bet against you. ;)

    That's pretty much the area in the frame that would seem to absorb hot gasses blown out of case head/web failure, after all.
     
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    Oh much do we blame out of warranty work on S&W?

    I wonder if Walther makes this happen or if it is purely S&W that then sends the bill to Walther in a group warranty bill?
     
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    While I don't know what happens each and every time ...

    I've been told on a few occasions that S&W has absorbed the cost of a new frame (as well as some other Walther-provided parts) in supporting their SW99's.

    I know of one instance when a P99 slide experienced a break at the rear of the slide (the top broke off at the rear of the rear sight dovetail, as I recall). The P99 had been well-used and several years past the 1-year Walther warranty. S&W replaced the damaged Walther P99 slide with an extra P99 slide (not a SW99 slide) they had on hand, and at no charge to the Walther owner.

    When I've asked if S&W ever bills Walther for the cost of Walther replacement parts when supporting SW99's under their lifetime warranty, I've been told (in a rather good-natured way) that S&W absorbs the cost.

    Fortunately, Walther is now offering a limited lifetime warranty to American purchasers of their PPQ (through their importer, S&W's affiliate company, Walther America).
     
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    Well I will def let everyone know how it goes for sure. I was reading another post on here about a guy with same problem as I got with the p99. The mysterious cracked frame ! He sent it in and they said the warranty was up and they couldn't fix it but instead offered him a discount on a new one. But he refused the offer cause he couldn't afford it at the time. So he said just send back my broken one then. They said ok and after waiting a while and it never showed . He contacted them and they said it was still there on their shelf and they decided they would replace it with a new one. Do you think they didn't want to send a broken gun back to him cause they figured they would be liable if he went ahead and kept shooting it and something happened ? I hope they do that for me.. Cause if not I will tell them just send it back and I'll keep shooting it then. Maybe that will get a response out of em. That's why I love my S&W 6906. Its all metal. No plastic and has never let me down even after arnd 2000 rnds down the pipe.
     
  10. ExTank

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    Technically, this 99 hasn't let you down, either.
     
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    Well guys im back with some great news. I talked to Smith&Wesson customer service and they decided that they are going to give me a new gun. Didn't even ask me any questions about it just said they would replace it either with a new p99as but it wld be 2 1/2- 3 months before they got anymore p99's in or they cld give me a smith&Wesson m&p and I cld get it in 2 weeks. I know on Walther website they have my gun for $819 and on s&w website the m&p's are all arnd $570 so not sure what to do. Probably gonna just wait for the new p99's to come in. !!
     
  12. fastbolt

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    Only you can make this decision for yourself.

    If I were in your place, I'd opt for the P99AS. The M&P's are easier to come across, and the new enhanced M&P trigger probably isn't due out until closer to summer, anyway. ;)

    Just my thoughts.

    However, receiving a brand new P99 AS to replace your used one would seem to be a bargain, don't you think?
     
  13. Fishbed77

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    That's an easy choice.

    Wait for the P99AS.
     
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    I had a first generation 9mm P99 that cracked the frame. For me the crack happened while shooting American Eagle factory ammo. The first couple of shots were fine, then I felt a sting on my right hand.

    At the time I didn't even notice the crack so I finished shooting the rest of the ammo. It's when I was cleaning the gun, that I noticed the hairline crack.

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    When I called S&W, they didn't want to do anything about it. The gun was used when I bought it from a gun store, so S&W told me that the gun is warranted for a year only to the original purchaser, so there was nothing they could do for me, period.

    When I took the gun back to the store I bought it from, they sent it back to S&W, and after they argued back and forth fro a couple of weeks, they finally agreed to replace the gun. I did get a brand new one, but it took over 5 months to get it. To add insult to injury, when the dealer got it, they had to fill out new paper work, I had to pay a new registration fee, and wait 10 days to get my gun. :banghead::banghead:

    I hope things work out for you. Don't get me wrong I still love my P99, but the support I got from S&W/Walther was not exactly awe inspiring. If it wasn't for the dealer getting involved, I never would have gotten a replacement.
     
  15. 777TRUTH

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    That's great news my99.

    I would wait for the new P99 AS over the M&P.

    Good luck!
     
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    It doesn't surprise me at all that S&W/WaltherAmerica is replacing the pistol. They do that routinely and seldom ever ask if you are the original owner or how long you've owned it. My advice: Get the P99 with the AS trigger configuration; it's a top-of-the-line pistol that you'll be happy with for years to come.
     
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    i am glad everything is working out for you. i have bought and sold on armslist, the guy is the scum of the earth to pass a firearm off with a cracked frame without telling you.that could have been catastrophic,luckily you didn't get hurt.
     
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    Yes, I remember that from others - you may be waiting a bit longer than what they claim before you get the replacement P99. But if you like that gun - get other one (instead of the M&P)
     
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