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Mystery hawken???

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Norton Commando, Apr 14, 2011.

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  1. Norton Commando

    Norton Commando Member

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    Ok, I'm stumped. I have a dozen or so guns dating from the 1700s to the 1800s that have been stashed in my attic for years. I just drug this one down and upon closer inspection, haven't a clue as to what it is. It looks pretty fancy for a Hawken but the proportions seem right. Anyone have any ideas? I quickly measure the bore with a ruler and it was ~.43" or .44".

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    The American Longrifles forum has a lot of expert builders who study original antique guns and can identify many of their features.
    It has an antique gun collecting section where if you post the photos, you may learn the most about it, as well as any of your other guns.


    http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php
     
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  3. Norton Commando

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    Thanks for the lead there arcticap - I see you're from Connecticut; that's where the guns came from!

    Jason
     
  4. 4v50 Gary

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    The gun may have begun life as a full stock rifle and the under-lug may have been soldered on at a later date. The brass piece adjoining the buttplate on the cheek piece side of the gun is very unique. Some gunsmiths in Georgia were known to do something similar. The brass patchbox is probably hand made and appears first notch. Is the lid release hidden on the hinge?

    Nice wire inlay to accent the engraving on the brass.

    I suspect it is post-Federal, say circa 1840-50.

    Note: A. G. is engraved on the lockplate.

    I'll ask Dr. James Whisker to take a look.
     
  5. Norton Commando

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    Hi Gary - the patch box lid is spring-loaded closed. There is no special gizmo to open it; you merely lift the edge of the lid near the butt of the gun, which overcomes the spring and it opens. The initials on the lock plate could be A T instead of A G?

    Thanks for the help. I've got some Springfields and other Civil War weapons as well. Perhaps this forum is the wrong place to post them? I guess I'll try to identify them through American Long Rifles.

    Jason
     
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    Very cool rifle but it needs a new nipple.
     
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    It was definitly flint & I have to agree the stock has that Pensylvania long rifle look of late 1780's - early 1820's, was probably converted in the 1840's - 1850's.
     
  8. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    Make that A. J.
     
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    I am no where near being an expert in this field, I just love these old guns to death is all...

    But, It don't look like no kinda Hawkin I ever laid eyes on !!!

    I am with the others, looks like Kentucky/Penn long rifle to me as well, and in addition, it does appear to have been converted from a flint.

    All I can say is, NICE PIECE, I wouldn't be keeping it in the attic if it were mine however, I would have it mounted on the living room wall with a powder horn !!!

    Sincerely,

    ElvinWarrior... aka... David, "EW"

    P.S....

    The gentleman who owns the "Middlesex Valley Trading Company", a purveryor of accurate 17th century guns, most all of them flinters, and most all of them smoothies, is one heck of an expert, Email this link to him, he is a very friendly, and very knoweldgeable bloke, I am sure he would have alot of information to share.

    PP.SS... If you're just gunna toss it back in the attic, I'll give ya 50 bux for it !!! LOL !!!
     
  10. 4v50 Gary

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    BTW, I'm I don't think the lock is converted from flint to percussion. The lock plate has a nice, circular cutout for the nipple bolster. Furthermore, there's no hole on the lockplate where the frizzen pivot screw would have been.
     
  11. Norton Commando

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    BTW, I'm I don't think the lock is converted from flint to percussion. The lock plate has a nice, circular cutout for the nipple bolster. Furthermore, there's no hole on the lockplate where the frizzen pivot screw would have been.

    That's what I was thinking too.

    Thanks for all the great information everybody!

    I'll drag down some more rfles and pistols from the attic this weekend and post pics, if ya'll are interested.

    Jason
     
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    I want an attic like that!
     
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    The trigger guard looks a Tryon piece. Tryon was a builder in Pennsylvania (maybe Pittsburg) during the early percussion era.

    I agree that this probably isn't a conversion from flint. It's a first-class arm, though. Keep it, cherish it.
     
  14. ElvinWarrior

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    Jason,

    Please do post MORE photo's, if that is a sample of what you have in your attic, that is ONE MAGICAL ATTIC !!!

    I for one, would LOVE to see what all you have hidden away up there, laying up against the rafters, and under piles of old newspapers !!!

    Sincerely,

    ElvinWarrior... aka... David, "EW"
     
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