Myth Busting “Real World” 22LR 50 Yard Challenge

[LiveLife]

I guess picking the wrong parents is continuing to pay off (Ah, the joy of spinal stenosis, etc.) and as I wait for my cataract surgery in both eyes starting next week (Thankfully surgery will help with Glaucoma and maybe optic nerve end damage), I thought about starting another myth busting thread while I undergo surgeries and recovery for the next several weeks.

Found this video where 22LR shooters start with 2" metal swing target and proceed down to 1/4". Shooting stops when smallest target is missed and scored with largest target hit.



I duplicated the same challenge onto a copy paper pdf. This is "myth busting" challenge as members are expected to take cold rifle/barrel and commence shooting without warm up to see what the "real world" accuracy is. If you need to zero the scope, you can do it with the 2" circle.

Challenge rules:

• Expect members observe the honor rule in actually "measuring" out to 50 yards (No pacing).
• Without warm up, shoot one shot per circle.
• If you cannot see the circles, fill in the circles you can't see.
• If bullet hole touches line, continue to smaller target (As steel plate would have moved).
• If hole is outside of line, stop shooting and submit target with information added to the table by taking a picture of completed target.
• Additional submissions can be done using different ammunition.
• NOTE: If you KNOW your rifle is capable of shooting sub 1" at 50 yards, I have no issues if you want to start out at 1". I think starting out with 2" circle would benefit those members with "non-match grade" rifles.

My hope is members "myth bust" or "confirm" actual accuracy of their 22LR rifles and ammunition.

Here's the target pdf for the challenge - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...9/&temp_hash=1dd6363a6811f17cac47cc85e39e57e0

 

[LiveLife]

Dang, these shooters are hitting the 1/4" swinger ... (ETA: Targets are at 30 yards, not 50 yards. )

 

[LiveLife]

No one interested in trying this challenge?

 

[mcb]

Interested, but its going to take some time before I get to try it.

 

[WrongHanded]

No one interested in trying this challenge?

I'm far too busy/tired to do this right now, although it seems like it'd be fun. And also a good exercise for me and my little Tikka. But I don't have a 50 yard zero and don't have much ammo. So I guess my answer is no.

But I'm sure others that have easier access to an appropriate range and maybe more time to burn will be interested. If I had a 50 yard range off my back porch, I'd go find some more ammo and get on it.

 

[berettaprofessor]

LiveLife; posting at 8:30 and asking why no one has gone out and shot the challenge at 10:59 is a little quick for most of us. I'm interested and I downloaded the target, but maybe this weekend or next I'll get to it.

 

[LiveLife]

LiveLife; posting at 8:30 and asking why no one has gone out and shot the challenge at 10:59 is a little quick for most of us.

Ooops ... being retired, you lose sense of time (among other things).

 

[MacAR]

I'm interested and I downloaded the target, but maybe this weekend or next I'll get to it.

Same here, but it'll be lucky if I get to before next weekend. Been mighty busy around here lately. But it seems like a fun challenge for my 22's.

Mac

 

[Demi-human]

Dang, these shooters are hitting the 1/4" swinger ...

And doing it with a 10/22.

 

[d2wing]

double post

 

[d2wing]

As I am having cataract eye surgery on Monday I doubt I will be able to do this for a couple weeks. A couple years ago I did do this using my 540XR so I know I can do it. That was in the prove it thread. In that case all the targets were about that size I think. 12 shots at 50 yards.

 

[Bwana John]

The way we play that game (KYL) around here is you have to stop shooting BEFORE you miss, and that is your score.

If you miss, your score is 0.

KYL means "know your limit".

At 25 yards many people clean it. At 50 yards it becomes quite a bit harder to clean.

The 8 steel target array 2" - 1/4" is one of my favorite .22 targets. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spinning-P...c-9ac0-4e3a-a5c7-f25a9993c7d5&redirect=mobile

 

[Rule3]

Do I score higher is I just shooting the 0 in 2.0, 1.50 and the 1.00 and ,50??

 

[Orion8472]

I'm going to give it a try if I can get the sheets printed out. And I won't be able to do it until next Sunday. I won't have access to a printer until Monday.

 

[Hugger-4641]

Yep, would love to participate, but too busy for the next few weeks with garden, canning, and getting ready deer season. Might be able to squeeze it into squirrel season.

 

[LiveLife]

Do I score higher is I just shooting the 0 in 2.0, 1.50 and the 1.00 and ,50??

KYL means "know your limit".

While I understand how the KYL challenges were shot, for this THR challenge, I would accept incrementally smaller circles by 1/4".

Now, if you KNOW your rifle is capable of shooting sub 1" at 50 yards, I have no issues if you want to start out at 1". I think starting out with 2" circle would benefit those members with "non-match grade" rifles. (Updated OP)

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

The only .22 I have with a scope is a Buckmark target pistol that I have shot at 25 yards. Don't know what it would do at 50. At 25 ten shots could be covered with a dime. I would like to try it with some of my .22 rifles but I am not sure I could even see the targets at 50 yards with iron sights.

 

[LiveLife]

I would like to try it with some of my .22 rifles but I am not sure I could even see the targets at 50 yards with iron sights.

This challenge is really focused on accurate/accurized scoped rifles shooting ammunition rifle likes to long established average groups in pushing the accuracy limits (hence the 1/4" circle).

If your rifle is not scoped, you may be pushing the limits of the shooter and not the rifle.

 

[Walkalong]

No one interested in trying this challenge?

Looks like fun, maybe next week when I am not on call.

I have some SK Long Range Match, SK High Velocity Match, SK Rifle Match, and Lapua Center X to try out. First real "match" .22 LR I have ever bought. I still need to shoot some more ammo to see if my gun prefers one over the others.

I tried some of the SK LR Match last week before the other stuff got here (C-X still in route), and it shot a lot tighter than my "good" plinking .22 ammo like Blazer, Aguls Match, Fed Auto Match etc.

I just need to try my new stuff against each other and pick one for the fairly new to me Bergara.

 

[Walkalong]

KYL means "know your limit".

In PRS we shoot the KRL rack X number of times, hit or miss, score for hits, nothing for misses, but no penalty. The tiny one can be very challenging if there is much wind.

I would love to have one of those tiny KYL racks for .22 LR.

 

[maxxhavoc]

Dang, these shooters are hitting the 1/4" swinger ...

In the second video, they are shooting at 30 yards. I like how you made this harder for us amateur folks shooting whatever we dragged outta the gunsafe.

I gave it a shot or 2. Learned some things. One is if I am going to play these games I need a scope with AO.

Oh, and I cheated. I could not even see the last 4 targets at all through the scope. Between old, slightly out of focus, and backing the scope down to cut down the parallax, I literally couldn't see them. I can barely see them on paper right in front of me. Maybe it is the laser printer. I filled the circles. and tried again. I wasn't sure if I hit the 1" one or not. After getting back, it looks like a (very) near miss. So even with cheating, I only got down to 1.25"

Tikka T1x
Leupold Rifleman 3-9x
About 88 degrees, 80% humidity
Aguila Super Extra SV
Cheap Caldwell Front and rear bags

The groups to sight in were not great. I was feeling like maybe the Tikka didn't like the Aguila (which most of mine DO like.) So I put a target at 100, sighted it back in, and shot 10 rounds for fun. Still well under 2" even with the flyer. So it doesn't HATE Aguila....
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[LiveLife]

In the second video, they are shooting at 30 yards. I like how you made this harder for us amateur folks shooting whatever we dragged outta the gunsafe.

I was wondering how they were hitting the 1/4" swing target ... (Post #2 edited to show "30 yards")

Oh, and I cheated. I could not even see the last 4 targets at all through the scope ... I filled the circles. and tried again. I wasn't sure if I hit the 1" one or not. After getting back, it looks like a (very) near miss. So even with cheating, I only got down to 1.25"

Good point. I revised my OP and added "fill in the circles" to see better:

If you cannot see the circles, fill in the circles you can't see.

Remember that this is a paper "duplicate" of steel swing targets. Looking at your 1" group, black mark on paper looks awfully close and likely may have moved the metal swinger, perhaps even from air disturbance. So I would accept the 1" shot and say 0.75" score as final (My challenge thread, my rules )

Nice shooting, especially with "bulk" consumer/recreational level Aguila ammunition that are nowhere near "match grade" ammunition. For me, Aguila (Even copper plated RN compared to all Lead RN match ammo) consistently continues to produce smaller groups than other commercial brands.

Cheap Caldwell Front and rear bags

And I just bought a Caldwell rear bag after checking out different rear bags ...


So we have our first score for the challenge: (If we have a tie for same size ring, we will use whoever is closer to center as winner)

1. maxxhavoc: 0.75" - Tikka T1x, Leupold Rifleman 3-9x, 88 degrees, 80% humidity, Aguila Super Extra SV, Caldwell Front and rear bags

 

[LiveLife]

I could not even see the last 4 targets at all through the scope ... I filled the circles.

I revised the pdf target with gray filled in circles and updated the OP - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...9/&temp_hash=1dd6363a6811f17cac47cc85e39e57e0

I will be joining the challenge with factory 10/22 (3000 round count), factory T/CR22 (1000 round count) and T/CR22 with 16.5" KSA bull barrel (0 round count) but after my cataract surgery next week.

 

[Varminterror]

In PRS we shoot the KRL rack X number of times, hit or miss, score for hits, nothing for misses, but no penalty.

PRS used to have “KYL” and “TYL” stages.

KYL’s - KNOW Your Limits - used to mean you’d have to decide when to stop progressing down the rack, a miss either meant you zeroed the stage, or meant you had to start over. Sometimes we’d have 10 rounds to engage 5 points - hit to advance, miss = start over. Sometimes a miss meant you were done, with a zero, no matter how many you’d hit previously. If you were wrong in betting on yourself, you’d end up with a zero, so you had to “know your limits.”

“TYL’s” - TEST Your Limits - were stages where we would shoot until we missed, and however many we’d hit was our score. Other stage designs, we’d shoot until we ran out of rounds, hitting to advance, then score only as many as the number of targets successfully engaged. A more forgiving stage design with no penalty.

But ~3yrs ago, the mothership passed a new rule in which stage designs could not include penalties which caused shooters to lose points which had been earned.

So now we call them all KYL racks, but the stage designs can’t carry the same risk they used to.

 

[Walkalong]

KYL’s - KNOW Your Limits - used to mean you’d have to decide when to stop progressing down the rack, a miss either meant you zeroed the stage, or meant you had to start over. Sometimes we’d have 10 rounds to engage 5 points - hit to advance, miss = start over. Sometimes a miss meant you were done, with a zero, no matter how many you’d hit previously. If you were wrong in betting on yourself, you’d end up with a zero, so you had to “know your limits.”

“TYL’s” - TEST Your Limits - were stages where we would shoot until we missed, and however many we’d hit was our score. Other stage designs, we’d shoot until we ran out of rounds, hitting to advance, then score only as many as the number of targets successfully engaged. A more forgiving stage design with no penalty.

But ~3yrs ago, the mothership passed a new rule in which stage designs could not include penalties which caused shooters to lose points which had been earned.

So now we call them all KYL racks, but the stage designs can’t carry the same risk they used to.

Interesting, that would definitely add a kink to things. (And I typed KRL instead of KYL)