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Mythbusters re-shoot Hathcock scope shot

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by RecoilRob, Feb 26, 2007.

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  1. RecoilRob

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  2. Zullo74

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    I saw this when it first aired. I guess you take their word over the GySgt?

    That Myth Buster crew is not the swiftest when it comes to gun myths.

    I believe it happened.
     
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    I don't know I saw this episode also when it first aired and I thought for sure it was true and they would proove it. The fact that disprooved it shocked me, but I think they made a good case for why it didn't work.

    I've been watching this show since day one several years ago, never missed an episode. Sure I get a good laugh when the struggle with gun myths but lets face it they try hard and they don't make any claim to be experts on guns. Plus I think Kari is smokin hot, especially with weapons in her hand:D
     
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    The myth buster clowns totally ticked me off on the "shooting guns straight up" episode when they refered to the M-1 Garand as an "assault rifle", haven't watched since.:barf:
     
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    Well they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to guns. But at least they aren't avoinding guns to attract gun hating viewers. Maybe you should email them and let them know its not an assault rifle.
     
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    Hathcock was a gentleman and often downplayed his accomplishments. In no way do I believe he would have lied, inflated or even embroidered the truth. If he said it happened, it happened. And we'll never know if the enemy sniper was killed by the bullet, or by the scope's glass blasting into his brain through his eye socket. And to me, it's a moot point. Either way, it got the job done.

    I like and enjoy Mythbusters even when they can't seem to get it right about firearms and even when their resident hottie flails her arms in the air while she talks and calls a a revolver's hammer a "lever".

    I also like and have a lot of respect for Alan Normandy. A one in a billion shot from a one in a billion man. Well put!
     
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    cough re-shoot cough
     
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    "Whitefeather" . . . the best! God Bless . . .
     
  9. Bigfoot

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    I totally agree. I have a hard time believing that Carlos Hathcock would ever embroider anything. ;)
     
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    +10 million.
     
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    To have any semblance of accuracy, in addition to the correct yardage, the scope and ammunition would have to be comparable to what was in use when Hathcock made the shot. Additionally, multiple hits would have to be made with the scope at slightly different angles to cover all likely variables. If it was a one in a thousand shot, then it seems likely a thousand shots would be needed to rule it out as a myth, not just 2 or 3 shots.
     
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    +1 Yeah, what Don said! :cuss:
     
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    Heck, why don't they re-enact Lee Harvey Oswald's shot? Then we will know for sure: fact or conspiracy. ;)
     
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    They have already done that.

    Ash
     
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    They're a couple of movie industry guys that live in San Francisco ...the fact that they don't refer to all guns as "talismins of evil" and use the last fifteen minutes of each show to push for gun control is pretty amazing in and of itself.
     
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    Well hell, they aren't wrong. The most famous assault in the history of the U.S. military was done by men on Normandy beach with Garands!

    I know they aren't the brightest when it comes to guns but hey, it's not everybody's forte. They're special effects guys first.
     
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    Maybe the MB guys should have attempted the shot in the 'Nam with a price on their heads & somebody hunting them? Just a thought . . .
     
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    Don't forget the M1 Carbines, M1 Thompsons, and M1918 BAR's that hit those beaches too! :)
     
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    Oh I only left those out because they weren't in question. Also, I think the M1911 did its share of work too!:)

    Yep, good old American assault weapons.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing...she should be the star of the show instead of the other dudes.
     
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    Can't wait to see it. Maybe their ballistics gel is too firm?
     
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    I was playing with a sim the other day. You would have to know windage, elevation, whether or not the target downrange was lower in elevation, how old and weathered the scope was, and whether or not a bullet or fragments of the scope were what killed him.

    Maybe a small shred hit his nose and drove it into his brain. Maybe just a fragment passed through it. All I know, is that I saw them take a .50 BMG rifle and fire it at a target, and it kind of slid back. When two snipers fired in what looks like Afghanistan using the same rifle, I saw body parts flying. The video is out there, and I have seen it. So there's no accounting for what it is that these guys can prove or disprove. I don't think if I got hit with a 50 BMG at the ranges that they fired it at that there would be anything left of me.

    Any volunteers?
     
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    I've noticed bullet holes "hiding" in the gel before. If the round fragments or moves too slowly to create a temp. cav., the gel can easily seal up after it passes through. Add to that a complext surface texture like Grant's head and it can be hard to find the buggers.
     
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    I saw the show. The MB were shooting at variable power scopes. Most looked to be 3-9 power. I doubt the sniper used a variable scope so the construction would be different.
    To make it a fair test, they would have to research and use the same scope the sniper had.
    Also, did the MB use the same ammo in their test?

    I believe Hathcock's story.
     
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    The Vietnam Sniper used a PU Soviet Scope and the MB guys didn't recreate using that type of scope. They couldn't pass a common sense test if they drove a car past one. Its entertainment pure and simple first and foremost. They do just what the producers want them to do.
     
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