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NAA Mini Convertible .22lr/.22mag

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Al-jim19, Jan 22, 2019.

  1. SteadyD

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    That’s scary stuff! I’ve owned several in the past but my fear of that happening is why I don’t own any now. I pocket carry mostly, and when I am sitting the gun is necessarily pointing in someone’s direction. I just don’t want to take any chances.
     
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  2. JN01

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    Holsters for the NAAs should come up high enough to cover the hammer. Otherwise, if the hammer is slightly pressed through the pocket or by something in the pocket, it could allow the cylinder to rotate out of the safety notch. Having the holster material rise above the hammer might also prevent a dropped object from striking the hammer and causing an AD, if the hammer inadvertently ended up over a live round.
     
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  3. JFrame

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    I was going to say -- I've pocket-carried one variation or another of NAA Mini (in a suitable holster, hammer-covered) for probably the last 25 years, and never had the hammer unseat from its safety notch. But I suppose there's a first time for everything... :)
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    My friend pulled his .22mag out one evening and the hammer was cocked just from riding around in the pocket. I love them for carry but the pocket should be empty and don't go crawling around with one.
     
  5. robhof

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    I also had trouble with the tiny to me grips; went to a set of the Black widow grips, got on Ebay and haven't looked back, makes it larger, harder to pocket, but much better to hold!!
     
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  6. Retired01

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    The holster I have is the one that came with the gun 20 plus years ago. For a short period of time I used the metal spring clip that came attached to the holster to clip it on my belt, but after a while the gun somewhat stretched the holster and on occasion when I bent over to pick up something the gun would fall out. When I started using my cargo pants to carry the gun I removed the metal belt clip since the pocket had a Velcro flap and that worked well as long as you made sure that the Velcro on the flap was properly positioned over the Velcro on the pocket. I just took my gun and holster out of my pocket and looked closer at the hammer fit and about 3/16 of an inch of the hammer sticks out of the holster if you do not apply much pressure to the gun. I did notice that if I did apply a little pressure to the gun in order to get the hammer fully below the top of the holster the holster would apply enough pressure to the hammer to start to cock it and at the same time the bottom of the holster started slightly moving the trigger, was this what happened to me? That it allowed the cylinder to move enough to where the hammer came out of the notch, I cannot say for sure. What I can say for sure is that the hammer was in the notch when I started carrying the gun and it was obviously not in the notch when the bottom ring of the aerosol can somehow hit the hammer with enough force to fire the gun. I probably could not cause that to happen again if I tried all day, but rest assured after escaping injury once, I will not be carrying this gun in this holster on a hot round again.
     
  7. JFrame

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    Retired01 -- first off, I'm glad you escaped injuries of any sort! :thumbup:

    The first photo is of the clip-mounted holster that came with my first NAA Mini. As you can see, the hammer is SOMEWHAT shrouded, but still a bit exposed.

    The second photo is of a Thad Rybka after-market pocket holster I picked up from NAA (cost me $16 at the time, I think). You can see the considerable difference in hammer protection.

    Honestly, I carried that little NAA with the first holster for YEARS without a single mishap. But I imagine all it takes is that one bit of odd contortion, which as you say may not be duplicable in one's lifetime, to create a dire situation... :)

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  8. ric jackson

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    I have posted before about my blackwidow . Wearing a mesh lined rain jacket that caught the hammer pulling the gun from the factory holster falling to the floor and bouncing on the hammer knocking it off the safe mode then landing on the hammer again and firing thur my ankle.
     
  9. Retired01

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    image.jpeg image.jpeg JFrame-- I will attempt to include 1 or 2 photos of my gun and holster. If I am successful, you will see that my holster is somewhat different than yours. I noticed that the hammer on my gun sets a good bit deeper in the holster than yours, but your trigger is completely protected and mine is not. One thing that my picture does not show is the barrel on my gun actually sticks out of the end of my holster about 1/8 of a inch. I am not sure if that was true before the "explosion" ( see the stress cracks in the holster). I like the design of your Thad Rybka holster, but if I were to purchase one I would take it to the shoe shop and have him to run a row of stitches around the barrel end of the gun to make sure that the gun could never slide forward enough to slightly cock the hammer or move the trigger which might allow the hammer to come out of the safety notch. Even then I am pretty sure that as long as I carry it , it will only have 4 rounds in it.
     
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  10. JN01

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    Kydex would be even more secure.
     
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  11. chicharrones

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    Sorry to hear about that happening to you, ric jackson. :eek:
     
  12. HB

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    I’ve owned both and agree.

    NAA is an awesome gun but not for carry for me. If a guy with a knife was in range of the NAA he would carve you up. Its decently accurate but slow to get into action.

    P32 is a real gun. NAA is in the same category as 50rnd 10/22 mags, 10” barrel Single Actions and .410 shotguns. For fun, not for serious use.
     
  13. Retired01

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    I know everyone has heard (many times probably) that the best gun for your protection is the one you will carry. I have had my carry/license now for close to 30 years and the first gun I purchased for "carry" was a Glock 19, and shortly after that I bought the NAA 22 mag as a back up. Over the years I have owned a wide assortment of different brands and cal. guns, (Rugers, Glocks, Tarus, S&W, Sccy, and a few others that I can't remember, thinking at the time that the latest purchase would be the perfect carry one, I also have bought many different brands and styles of holsters and and each one had there pluses and minuses. The clothes I wear most of the time do not do a good job of concealing the fact that I am carrying, with the exception of my NAA .22 mag. and some of the places I need/want to go on a regular basis would, at very best, frown on me being armed, if not ask me to leave. Some of the places I would just take my business some where else, but some places I don't' really have that option. My NAA .22 mag has the least "firepower" of most of my guns, but I have it with me all the time, but since my little "freak" accident I have been looking for a little safer way to carry it, but still be quickly accessible. The problem is that like most things in life, it is a trade off. I just ordered a "wallet full concealment holster" made specifically for this little gun, so I am in hopes that it will provide additional "accident protection" without to much of a loss of the "guickly accessible" part. I will let you all know how it works.
     
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  14. KevininPa

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    I have a Black Widow that has been a constant companion for quite awhile. The holster grip is my favorite style of carry for it, carries like a pocket knife but shoots like a full gripped revolver. Trigger is fully covered when folded. In all the time I've owned it and carried this way, only once did I get nervous. I'm usually in cargoes or carpenters so baggie and loose. Once you get older kids you'll appreciate that extra room! ;). But still have plenty of five pocket casual jeans. Anyway, I was wearing a pair of five pockets and had my BW in my pocket like usual. Got home and took it out of my pocket to find that it slipped the safety notch and was sitting on a round.

    The jeans aren't tight, they're loose fit. But not as loose as the cargoes or carpenters. Only issue I had and least now I know enough to keep a weather eye on it.
     
  15. JFrame

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    The Black Widow is my personal favorite of the NAA line... Although I wouldn't mind if something like a Pug dropped into my hands at some point... :)

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  16. Walkalong

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    Mine is not convertible, just .22 Mag, bought it when I turned 21. I made a pocket "holster" to carry it in my pocket, and a belt holster to carry it as well.

    Fun, reasonably accurate, powerful enough to get someone off of you, I have carried it many, many, miles.

    Slip it in my pocket and it disappears.
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  17. Retired01

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    image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg Here are some pictures of the "wallet full concealment holster" that I ordered and mentioned in a previous post.
    When I went to the web site to order this I read some of the comments others had to say about this holster, and a few of them were the same type of comments people make about all things made from leather, which is "it is to stiff". I don't think I have ever ordered anything made from leather, (wallets, belts, shoes and etc) that did not need a lot of "massaging" to make the leather comfortable to wear, or in the case of this holster, something that is comfortable in a pants pocket and your gun fits in well. When it arrived it was about as stiff as a board, except for the "rubber insert " that the gun fits in. I probably have a couple of hours in the massaging of the leather and I am well pleased about how that turned out. In the area where the cylinder of the gun fits, I did a little extra massaging and then used my wife's hair dryer (I don!t have any hair, so I don't own one myself) to warm up the area and then I inserted my gun in it and used 4 spring clamps to " form the leather" around the cylinder. This holster will never allow the hammer to be accidentally struck and discharge a round, but with that benefit, there is the downside of the gun not being as quickly available as in the original holster. So as of now I am thinking that most of the time since I usually am in cargo pants, I will still be using the original holster, and when I am wearing clothes that have no cargo pockets, I will probably carry using this wallet holster?
     
  18. Retired01

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    Gentleman, I have appreciated all your input on the NAA .22 magnum and the holsters you have made or purchased and just the overall discussion. Now I would like your opinion on which of the following three guns you would carry? I have other more powerful hand guns ( 410/45 Judge, a couple 9 mm Glocks and etc) that hold more rounds,but they are all physically bigger, but the clothes I wear most of the time do not hide the fact that I am carrying and I prefer not to let others know that. I know that the debate goes on about what caliber gun you should carry, and that debate will never end, but it all boils down to the age old statement that the best gun for protection is the one you will always have with you! The picture I am including has the NAA .22 Mag on the left, (I am sure everyone can tell that), the middle one is a Ruger LCP II .380 with a 6 round clip, and the on on the right is a Taurus PT .22 LR with a 8 round clip. Some of my thoughts on which one to carry are as follows, the Taurus PT .22 LR is the least powerful, but it carries two more rounds in th clip and the grip fits my big hand very well, The Ruger LCP II .380 is the more powerful of the three, but the barrel is about 1/2" longer and it only holds 6 rounds in the clip. The smallest and the one I have carried everyday ( because it is by far the easiest to conceal) for a couple of years is the NAA .22 Mag, but due to a recent accidental discharge issue, I now only have only 4 rounds in the cylinder, and I never was that comfortable with it when I had 5 in it. So as most decisions are in life, it is a trade off, more rounds, and more powerful, vs easier to conceal? What is your thoughts on this?

    Thanks for your input in advance.
     

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    I have similar pocket guns, not counting the mini revolver.

    I find the LCP sized gun the best all around of those three. The tip up barrel .22s like the Taurus and my old Bobcat feel good in the hand because the grip is fat. The LCP, is thinner and barely longer. For me, an LCP sized pocket gun firing a more powerful round than rimfire is the way to go.

    Now if more people besides KelTec would make a locked breech slim pocket gun in .32 ACP, that would be a good choice for people that can't or won't shoot .380 in the same sized gun.
     
  20. toivo

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    Ragsdale makes a good leather pocket holster that covers the hammer and also has a pouch for five extra rounds. The website says they're "temporarily closed" -- I don't know if their holsters are available anywhere else.

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    Hi Retired01 -- I'm not trying to persuade you to go with any particular platform or another... Just trying to provide you with as much data as possible to arrive at a considered decision.

    Here are photos of my NAA Black Widow both inside and outside a Sticky Holster. Inside the holster, it sits securely, and within the limits of practical reality, I cannot imagine the action becoming engaged.

    But I totally understand you have to go with what makes you absolutely comfortable... :)

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  22. bannockburn

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    Of those three I would go with the LCP II. I use to have a Beretta Model 21 but found it to be a little too big in the grip area compared to the KelTec P3AT I have. The P3AT just disappears when I carry it in my front pant's pocket with a DeSantis "The Trickster" holster or a Concealment Concepts "Jaguar" holster.

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    Gentleman, I appreciate all of the input you have provided in response to my post. I take all your comments in the spirit of you trying to help me with a decision on the best carry gun , and brand and style of holster. And I do thank you for it all. As of now after reading your comments I am thinking that after I receive the pocket carry holster I ordered a week or so ago, I will carry my Ruger LCP II .380 most of the time when I am out and about and wearing my loose fitting (baggy)clothes, And the times when I am wearing clothes that "print" with that gun and holster, I will carry my NAA .22 mag. After seeing the picture of the NAA Black Widow and the nice grip on JFrame's post, and some of the holsters you all were kind enough to send me pictures of, I will be looking online to to check them out. I do like the idea of a in the pocket holster that does a much better job of covering the trigger on my NAA .22 mag and also a space for a few more rounds would also be great.
     
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  24. Tallball

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    In cooler weather I carry my LCPII in the breast pocket of my flannel shirts. It's in a pocket holster that covers the trigger and no one ever notices it.

    In warmer weather I carry my 38 special LCR in the cargo pocket of my shorts (also in a good pocket holster).

    In both cases I believe that the extremely light weights don't cause my pockets to move or sag, and that's why nobody notices them.

    I will eventually purchase an NAA revolver, but it won't replace my LCPII or LCR as my preferred carry arms.
     
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    My thoughts on my new Taurus PT-22 .22 LR pistol. I bought this gun mostly for my wife. she has never found a revolver that she could pull the hammer back, or a pistol that she could rack the slide without a lot of trouble. So when I came across this Taurus with a "tip up barrel" that allows you to just insert the magazine and then just release the lock and raise the barrel and put the last round in the chamber and then close and lock the barrel and you are ready to pull the trigger and start firing without having to rack the slide, sounds easy enough, right?
    Well it turns out that it actually requires more effort to follow the formentioned steps than to insert the magazine and rack the slide on my other .22 cal LR guns. Even though the magazine comes out fairly easy, you have to hit it pretty hard to get it to latch when you insert it, and since it is not spring loaded, you might not notice it is not latched. And when I tried to operate the barrel latch to tip up the barrel it was so close to the grip that I had a difficult time trying to move it far enough to release the barrel, and then when you close the barrel you have to exert a significant amount of downward force and hold the realese latch open at the same time to get it to latch.
    You actually don't have to use the barrel tip up feature, as you can still "rack the slide", but since this gun has the "tip up barrel" feature, the gun designers made the sides of the slide so small that racking it requires a lot more effort than any other gun that I own. Needless to say, my little wife will not be using this gun at the range.
     
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