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NAA mini revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Lone_Sheep_Dog, Mar 18, 2010.

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  1. Lone_Sheep_Dog

    Lone_Sheep_Dog Member

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    I wanted one of these minis for a ccw. I tried one out and I could not shoot it anywhere near accurately. I must have shot around 400 rounds with little improvement. Do you know anyone who can actually shoot this gun accurately?
     
  2. hogshead

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    How far were you tryin to shoot? The one I have has a half inch of barrel I woudnt expect it to be very accurate. I would deem it a belly gun.
     
  3. surjimmy

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    Mine is very accurate at 10 feet.
     
  4. whitecoyote

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    Check out the Pug. You will not be disappointed.
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  5. MCgunner

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    Yeah....ME. I've taken small game with mine, one notable rabbit at about 50 feet. It's no Bullseye gun, but it's accurate enough to hit a B27 amidships several out of 5 from even 25 yards. Out to 15 yards, not a problem and inside 7.5 yards, center head is no problem. I've even head shot a rattler coiled up under my game feeder with the thing when I had nothing else, but a 9mm on me and the nine seemed excessive. I always have this thing on me. Took a nutria a while back at about 15 yards when I was bow fishing. Took too shots for that one, missed at about 10 yards with him swimming away. It has taken numerous marauding possums around the place. So, while it's no Ruger Mk 2, it has its uses by virtue of always being there.

    With mine, I put a folding holster grip on it. Part of the problem with these little guns is the inability with anyone with decent size paws to get a grip on 'em. The holster grip gives one that full grip while still folding up for easy concealment. I had to find the ammo it liked, is a little picky. It's funny, but some ammo shoots way off POI of other ammo. I settled on Federal Lightening and filed the front sight down to get it regulated for that load.

    I just bought a super companion, the muzzle loading version of the gun. With 2 grains of Bullseye, it shoots a bit harder than the .22 magnum and with a spare cylinder, it's much quicker to reload via a cylinder swap. Spare cylinders are only 40 bucks and I have one on the way for mine, ordered it yesterday. I might get another one in the future, but really, I don't carry the gun routinely, prefer major calibers for self defense. There are times, though, that I need ultra concealment.

    I still carry the .22LR as an always back up to whatever primary and/or primary and back up I'm carrying that day. It's rarely my only choice, but I have found that when I'm wade fishing, I can clip it to the top of my T shirt to keep it out of the water (holster grip has a clip on it) and it's not readily recognizable as a gun, yet out of the water. That's one use I have for it as a primary. I'll probably start carrying the super companion for that since it has more punch. It's almost as accurate and pushes a 30 grain conical to 1200+ FPS. The .22 pushes the 38 grain HP to 800 fps. I figure the super companion has more chance of adequate penetration, though I haven't done the penetration tests to prove it, yet.

    I wouldn't recommend the NAA as an always primary carry, but as a back up or third gun and occasional when nothing else is possible, it fits a niche for me. Some will put the little gun down. Perhaps they never have occasion to need one. That's fine, but I like having the option available and I like having the .22LR there in my weak side pocket all the time.

    Here's the super companion with the .22LR under it folded into its grip.

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  6. sheephearder

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    These guns are accurate enough, but they are really difficult to shot accurately. the 22lr with next to nothing as a grip is really tough. If you put something more on for a grip and can deal with the minimal sights they are OK, the Black Widow with good sights is the best and only a little larger.
     
  7. girl shooter

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    I carry one it a belt buckle, great back-up gun to the 38 SPL in my purse. It is absolutely tiny and when I carry it, people just assume is it a stylized belt buckle.

    Who expects a 130lbs woman to wear a gun so blantantly? :D
     
  8. earlthegoat2

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    I casn shoot minute of human at about 20 feet after about 100 rounds of practice. I sometimes carry it as a BUG but never a primary. It is my bathroom gun right now.
     
  9. testosterone

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    You sir, are a hereby declared a NAA genius.

    I can't hit squat with my 1 5/8" 22 mag.

    I love it, but I can't hit a damn thing with it beyond couple feet.
     
  10. MCgunner

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    I don't think I'm special at making the little guns work. I've read others with similar experience. The secret is a bigger grip and getting a load regulated to the sights. The things are real picky about load.

    My super companion shoots way low and left, so I have to use a really weird sight picture to shoot it, but I can make it work, too. I haven't fiiled on the front sight or anything. I just know how to hold it. A little bit of practice and I'm shooting paper plate size groups at 40 feet. I'm not quite as accurate with it as my .22, but it'll get the job done at defense ranges. Too, I haven't had it that long and lack the practice with it.

    I must say, these guns are so diminutive, they don't point very natural. I can't poiint shoot it for squat and I need good light to see the tiny sights. That does limit it quite a bit in low light. NAA offers a tiny little laser on their site, but it blocks the use of the iron sights, so I don't see that as an option. Besides, that would make the gun a little bigger, which is ruining the whole reason for it existing.
     
  11. Walkalong

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    Mine actually shoots to point of aim, and, with concentration, paper plates at 10 to 15 yards are fairly easy to hit most of the time. It's a 10 feet and in gun in my mind anyway. A Torso sized target at 10 or 15 feet is pretty easy to get a well centered hit on.
     
  12. MCgunner

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    ^^See?^^ :D
     
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    My recently acquired The Earl shoots nice groups if I can hold it well enough. At 5 yards I've managed a few 3 inch groups that were centered on the point where I actually aimed. :D

    Getting the hold on the minimal handle is the big trick. But if you can manage that then the gun can do it's bit well.
     
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    I love the look of the NAA mini revolvers and have been tempted to get one, probably the Pug, but I haven't persuaded myself that it is of much use for SD. I might still get one some day just for fun. At the moment, I use a J-frame when I need to carry a smaller gun.
     
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    Like I say, it's rare that I need to carry one of the NAAs as a primary, but when I do need it, it's FAR smaller and easier to conceal than any J frame.
     
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    I suggest you try another. I have no problem hitting what I am at with my NAA Black Widow in 22mag out to about 25 - 30 feet.
     
  17. benEzra

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    I used to own a NAA mini in .22LR with the 1 1/8" barrel:

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    It was remarkably well made, mechanically interesting, a fun range toy, and accurate enough for A-zone hits at 7 yards if you use the sights. For defensive use, though, I didn't have any confidence in the ballistics. .22LR out of a rifle isn't exactly considered a stellar defensive round to start with, and out of the 1 1/8" barrel it is feeble indeed, losing 50% of the velocity and 75% of the energy of the same load in a rifle-length barrel.

    http://www.naaminis.com/lrvelnew.html

    The .22 magnums don't do much better out of the 1 1/8" barrel, as the extra powder doesn't have a fast enough burn rate to really matter:

    http://www.naaminis.com/msvel.html

    A tiny bullet at super-low velocity, in the slowest of all repeating handguns to shoot, with a capacity of only 5 rounds, suggests that this should be a last-ditch weapon indeed, not a primary CCW. Even the lowly .25 ACP (or .22LR in a small semiauto) offers better ballistics, much faster followup shots, and greater capacity, and .32 ACP stomps all over it.

    The other thing, if you do choose to carry one, is use a holster. I experimented with mine around the house, and found that (1) the hammer spur will punch right through a pocket lining, (2) it will rotate in your pocket until it is upside down and backwards, making the draw problematic, and (3) it can fall out of your pocket when you sit down under the right conditions. Also, be absolutely postively sure that the firing pin protrusion of the hammer is in the safety notch between cylinders, because little gun can fire when dropped on the hammer if you negligently leave the firing pin resting on a cartridge rim.
     
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    I have one exactly like the one benEzra used to have. A female friend of mine gave it to me about 5 years ago since she has another handgun that she uses for personal defense and it was just sitting around. I never thought to carry it and only viewed it as a novelty. My dad keeps a little 2 shot derringer under the armrest cover of his recliner in case he can't get to his 1911 next to the chair. I'm curious now and I guess I'll go out and shoot it to see if my big hands can even find the sweet spot in holding this thing. It could be an ankle gun backup, I guess. I would not consider it a primary gun.
     
  19. MCgunner

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    Well, these are the reasons I consider the super companion superior to the ordinary cartridge versions. Of course, it has the 1 5/8" barrel. I see no reason to go shorter. I also, as mentioned, use the holster/grip. I cannot grip these guns otherwise. But, with 2 grains of bullseye behind a 30 grain conical, over 1200 fps is closing on .32ACP for power and I'd trust it to penetrate better than a .22 mag from the same barrel moving slower. Even the 30 grain V Max loads from CCI are slower. Reloads are as quick as changing cylinders, not exactly a magazine change, requires dexterity in the heat of battle not to lose the pin. I realize it's not ideal and don't carry it as a primary unless there's no alternative. If you'd rather be unarmed, that's your choice, but I can go armed undetected even when being armed is illegal and no matter the dress code with the little super companion. I like that choice.
     
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    I have one in .22WMR. JUNK! It came apart on me for no reason at all.
     
  21. David E

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    Care to expand on that?

    Or do we presume that you took out the cylinder pin and the cylinder fell out for "no reason?"
     
  22. Onward Allusion

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    I can make torso shots at a B-34 (14"x24") silhouette @ 7 yards if I take the time and slow fire. In 10' to 15' I can do the same only quicker.

    I used the standard grips, however, I have medium sized hands. I can see that anyone with a larger hand will have problems fumbling with such a tiny weapon.

    Hey, you can always get the laser for it! It's over the top but it's kind of cool. :)

    http://www.laserlyte.com/Laser_Gun_Sights/NAA-1/NAA-1.html




     
  23. oldfool

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    it amazes me that these things are still around after so many years
    and (apparently), as "popular" as ever
    probably will be around forever, too

    won't say more than that, because I don't want those gun forum folk who have rationalized them into being practical CCW weapons for defense-of-life-and-family to come agunnin' for me

    besides, it ain't like I don't own my own fair share of (other) silly stuff
    "for the child within"
    which is my personal hypothesis about why those things have been around so long, and probably always will be

    "just because" always was reason enough for me, anyway
    but truth is that "the child within" never grows old, overrules all/any reason, and demands to be fed from time to time ;)
     
  24. oldfool

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    who invented those, anyway ?

    just curious

    somehow or other, I got in in my head that it was Dick Casull
    (along with the American 180 and the 454 of course)
    talk about versatility, one-of-a-kind

    anybody know for sure ???
     
  25. Onward Allusion

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    Yup - Dick Casull design but I think he was with NAA already. He later joined Freedom Arms.


     
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