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NAA Super Companion plywood test

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  1. Tomahawk674

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    I shot my NAA Super Companion from 2.5 yards at a sheet of plywood that was half and inch thick. I used a scoop (4.7 grains) 777 fffg and the standard 30 grain bullets from NAA. All 5 shots went right through the board and the box that was propping it. When I have another chance I'll try two boards.

    I know someone had posted their NAA wasn't going through a few pages of a phonebook so I wanted to do a penetration test. I'm guessing the other person had a really defective model.
     
  2. BHP FAN

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    777 is about 15% hotter than Goex real BP, makeing it just about the ideal propellant for our little pistolas.Normally I'm one of the ''real black, or take it back'' clan of muzzle loaders, but in this case, 777 is the way to go.
     
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    C'mon Tomahawk... quit bein' a tease !! :D

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    Close up of shots going in:
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  5. MCgunner

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    Impressive performance, but that's not plyboard, that's wafer board, and it's considerably easier to punch a hole through. But, yeah, if it'll go through a half inch of THAT, a human skull don't have a chance.
     
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    Hmm, I knew my "plywood" looked funny. Well I'll try and see if it goes through and inch of the stuff.
     
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    Yer Tomahawkness... yer a gentleman, a scholar, and a fine judge of apple cider. :D Grassy Ass Ameeeeego.

    Me thinks me wants one of those when the job hunt nets something promising. Lookin' like a fair amount of whallop for a lil' guy.

    And, the fact that it's OSB, it makes it realistic of what's out there in the real world. Screw a scrap of drywall onto some 2x4s on the other side of that and you'll KNOW how it does with being contained within a typical house wall (minus the siding material).
     
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    Some type of OSB can be really hard from the glues they use. That stuff looks like it might be because it has the texture on it. Modern OSB is a lot better than it used to be.
     
  9. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    Yeah, good thread. Interesting.. I own a couple of the NAA .22 mini mags. I use Triple Seven 3fff. It work's good. I don't mess with them much at all. Hell, it's been over a year since I shot one of them. If I need something small and tucked away I use one of my Colt Uberti Pocket .31's with the 4 inch barrel..Anyway, that's beside the point. I remember someone on a thread here was laughing about the NAA. I just let him laugh. No use arguing with a damn fool. I did tell him that it was plenty strong enough to get someone off of your ass in a hurry and that if it was loaded with half a dipper full as opposed to a full dipper, (half dipper is about a .22 Long Rifle) it would be more accurate and a lot easier to hit with. That little thing is accurate further out than one would think just looking at it...Anyway, glad to see this thread, the tests, and the pictures of the test....
     
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    Thanks GOC. I will try shooting through the two boards soon. Like I said, I don't think it's in the bb gun league. I sure as heck wouldn't stand in front of it.
     
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    Actually, IMHO, the NAA Companion or Super Companion is a better carry than a NAA cartridge gun which I also own. It's not so much ballistics, but the fact that I can carry a spare loaded cylinder in a watch pocket and I've got a faster reload (like I'll ever need it, just sayin') than with the cartridge gun. The super companion is fully capable of matching the .22 magnum in these little guns, though. Pretty impressive little piece. I've carried mine as a primary weapon when nothing else would do. I much prefer my 9mm, but hey, the little Super Companion is far better than nothing, or even an edged weapon, when no other option will work. You can carry this thing concealed in a nudist camp.
     
  12. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    Yeah, I'vd got a concealed carry permit. Had one for so many years it's hard to remember for sure the date I first got one. But hell, I remember when I first got the NAA's I went whole hog. Belt holsters for either side, ankle holster, extra cylinders, extra nipples, extra base pin, hammer, all kinds of stuff!! I don't know what in hell I thought I was going to do! Anyway, I carried one for a few days after I first got them and I carried it in my shirt pocket! All my shirts have two pockets at least and they all button or zip. Haven't used a single damn one of the holsters! You're sure right. You could hide one of those little things in a nudist colony. Hell, the Colt Uberti .31 is damn near the same. I just drop it into one of my front trouser pockets or a coat pocket and I'm good to go. I don't ever carry one much anymore anyway....
     
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    I've got the .22Mag. Back in the BIKMC (before I killed my chronograph) days, I chrono'd it with CCI and Winchester 40 grain bullets. 850 fps with the CCI and 950 with the Winchester.

    So it wouldn't take much BP or 777 to improve on that.
     
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    I load my SC with 2.0 grains weight of Bullseye from a scoop I made out of an empty .22LR hull. It clocks a 30 grain pill about 1200 fps. This is what I carry. Of course, it shoots clean, too. 1 grain is around 800 fps which is about what I get from a good .22LR 36 grain HP round in my .22 model.
     
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    Just to prove I have the right to get into the conversation!!! I have lot's and lot's of assessories for them. (I own 2 of them)....I don't take good pictures..This one has been locked up in the nylon case for way over a year except for me checking it about every month or so. The other one is still sealed up. This is the only one I have ever used and it could be considered still brand new. PS..Sorry about the lighting and the focus. It could stand to have a little of the grease wiped off that I keep on it since I never use it....
     

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    A black widow grip? :D Nice little gun there and very useful.

    The little farts are affordable, yet very high quality construction. I'm amazed they can be so affordable considering the lock work must be put together with watch making tools.
     
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    2nd test done

    I just got back from shooting the two boards. (1/2 inch each).

    - 1st shot was embedded into the first board

    - 2nd shot went through the first board and bounced of the second

    - 3rd shot went through the first board and embedded into the 2nd board.

    - 4th & 5th shots went through the two boards.

    Here are pics of the bullet recovered from the 2nd board vs unfired one:

    Conclusion: The will surely go through a half inch of OSB and may or may not go through a whole inch of it with 5 grains of 777.


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    Thanks... that Triple Seven sure is barky stuff!
     
  19. GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL

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    McGunner..Thank you sir..
     
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    I'm out of NAA bullets, a bag of them is $4 but the shipping is $7. I can't find #4 buckshot in less than $25 bags. I went to walmart and bought a tin of 500 .22 airgun pellets for $6, crosman premier hollow points that weigh 14.3 grains each. Don't laugh at me :p

    I'll let you know how they work soon.
     
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    Supposed to shoot just with a cap. Don't know, ain't tried it.

    Just order 500 or a thousand rounds, then the shipping don't seem like so much. :D
     
  22. Tomahawk674

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    Yes I've heard about shooting airgun pellets with caps only. But, since the pellets are shorter than the standard bullets, I was able to put about 6 grains of 777 in there. That should launch them pretty fast. I'll do some testing maybe later today. I have the OSB boards, another really tough kind of construction board, and a small phone book.
     
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    The first test with the pellets wasn't all too promosing. It went through less than half an inch worth of phone book. I'm finding unburnt powder in the back of the pellets though, maybe less powder is more.
     
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    I tried the pellets in front of 22 blanks for a quieter pest control in a regular NAA 22. The skirt of the pellet plated the base of the throat, took alot of scrubbing with a bronze brush to get it out, in my Super companion I use them with just the caps for my garage range gun, but they throw a 6" group at 20' from a rest, with powder and NAA bullets from a rest; I get 2" group. I've been using a 22lr with a soldered on handle as measure for bullseye; 1.9gr and getting 22lr + velocities.
     
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    Found out how to make the pellets work

    I had a stock 30 grain bullet left and I tried that against the book for comparison. It made it through the book ok, but the board behind the book made it stick inside.

    Loaded normally, the pellets were barely making it half way through the phone book (book is 0.6"). Then I tried them backwards and they worked much better, and made for a heck of a wadcutter! it almost went through the book as well.


    Left entry hole is 30 grain stock bullet, right hole is pellet loaded backwards
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    The stock bullet made it all the way through
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    Also notice the unburnt powder stuck in the pellet hole. I guess that's what happens with such a light projectile.
     

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